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From: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
To: Christoph Anton Mitterer <mail@christoph.anton.mitterer.name>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, pablo@netfilter.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/7] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 13:42:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aO-IqRLJoEJ1RYTv@strlen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251011002928.262644-3-mail@christoph.anton.mitterer.name>

Christoph Anton Mitterer <mail@christoph.anton.mitterer.name> wrote:
> +*accept*:: Terminate the evaluation of the current base chain (and any regular
> +chains called from it) and accept the packet from their point of view.

Suggest:
*accept*:: Terminate the evaluation of the chain.  Evaluation
continues in the next base chain, if any.

> +The packet may however still be dropped by either another chain with a higher
> +priority of the same hook or any chain of a later hook.

... This means the packet can still be dropped ...

> +For example, an *accept* in a chain of the *forward* hook still allows one to
> +*drop* (or *reject*, etc.) the packet in another *forward* hook base chain (and
> +any regular chains called from it) that has a higher priority number as well as
> +later in a chain of the *postrouting* hook.

Thanks, that example is good to have.

> +*drop*:: Terminate ruleset evaluation and drop the packet. This occurs
> +instantly, no further chains of any hooks are evaluated and it is thus not
> +possible to again accept the packet in a higher priority or later chain, as
> +those are not evaluated anymore for the packet.

Can this be compacted a bit?  I feel this is a tad too verbose.

*drop*: Packet is dropped immediately.  No futher evaluation of any kind.

I think thats enough, no?

> +*jump* 'CHAIN':: Store the current position in the call stack of chains and
> + continue evaluation at the first rule of 'CHAIN'.
> + When the end of 'CHAIN' is reached, an implicit *return* verdict is issued.
> + When an absolute verdict is issued (respectively implied by a verdict-like
> + statement) in 'CHAIN', evaluation terminates as described above.
> +*goto* 'CHAIN':: Equal to *jump* except that the current position is not stored
> + in the call stack of chains.
> +*return*:: End evaluation of the current chain, pop the most recently added
> + position from the call stack of chains and continue evaluation after that
> + position.
> + When there’s no position to pop (which is the case when the current chain is
> + either the base chain or a regular chain that was reached solely via *goto*
> + verdicts) end evaluation of the current base chain (and any regular chains
> + called from it) using the base chain’s policy as implicit verdict.
> +*continue*:: Continue ruleset evaluation with the next rule. This
> + is the default behaviour in case a rule issues no verdict.
>  *queue*:: Terminate ruleset evaluation and queue the packet to userspace.
>  Userspace must provide a drop or accept verdict.  In case of accept, processing
>  resumes with the next base chain hook, not the rule following the queue verdict.

> +All the above applies analogously to statements that imply a verdict:
> +*redirect*, *dnat*, *snat* and *masquerade* internally issue eventually an
> +*accept* verdict.

You can remove 'eventually'.

> +*reject* and *synproxy* internally issue eventually a *drop* verdict.

Same.

> +These statements thus behave like their implied verdicts, but with side effects.
>
> +For example, a *reject* also immediately terminates the evaluation of the
> +current rule, overrules any *accept* from any other chains

No, not really.  There is no *overrule*.  We don't keep any 'verdict
state'.  There is no difference between 'drop' in the first rule of the
first ever base chain or a drop somewhere later in the pipeline, aside
from side effects from other matching expressions.

I would suggest:
For example, *reject* is like *drop*, but will attempt to send a error
reply packet back to the sender before doing so.

> +overruled, while the various NAT statements may be overruled by other *drop*
> +verdicts respectively statements that imply this.

There is no overrule.  I would not mention NAT at all here.
*accept* documentation already says that later chains in the pipeline
can drop the packet (and so could the traffic scheduler, qdisc, NIC,
network ...)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-15 11:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-25  0:07 nft manpage/wiki issues and improvement ideas Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-25  7:35 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2025-09-25 20:37   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52   ` [PATCH 0/7] doc: miscellaneois improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 1/7] doc: clarify evaluation of chains Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 2/7] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 10:50       ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-02 14:50         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-02 15:21           ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-10 23:06             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 3/7] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 4/7] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 11:50       ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-10 23:07         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 5/7] doc: add some more documentation on bitmasks Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 11:51       ` Florian Westphal
2025-09-30 11:53         ` Florian Westphal
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 6/7] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  1:52     ` [PATCH 7/7] doc: describe how values match sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26  2:32   ` nft manpage/wiki issues and improvement ideas Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:23 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:23   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] doc: clarify evaluation of chains Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:46     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-11  0:23   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:42     ` Florian Westphal [this message]
2025-10-17  2:30       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:25         ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19  0:11           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:23   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:51     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-11  0:24   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20  9:39     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 23:48       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:24   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] doc: add some more documentation on bitmasks Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:32     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19  1:31       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:24   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:35     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-18 22:13       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11  0:24   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] doc: describe how values match sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:51     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19  1:50       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 1/6] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20  9:28     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 22:13       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 2/6] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20  9:04     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 3/6] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 4/6] doc: add more documentation on bitmasks and sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20  9:06     ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 21:57       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 22:18         ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 23:51           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 5/6] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19  1:38   ` [PATCH v3 6/6] doc: minor improvements the `reject` statement Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 1/5] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 2/5] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] doc: add more documentation on bitmasks and sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 4/5] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49   ` [PATCH v4 5/5] doc: minor improvements the `reject` statement Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-22 14:34     ` Florian Westphal

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