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From: Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: Phil Sutter <phil@nwl.cc>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [nf-next PATCH 2/4] netfilter: nfnetlink_hook: Deref hook entry using READ_ONCE()
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2026 19:04:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ak_Uqs2vUMK8XPIU@chamomile> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ak-VvHgZDCI5nIzv@strlen.de>

On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 02:36:12PM +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org> wrote:
> > Are we sure net/netfilter/core.c is safe to be walked over rcu in its
> > current state? Could the dummy_ops be exposed through nfnetlink_hook?
> 
> What do you mean with 'safe'?
> The walk is safe from memory safety point of view.
> 
> dummy_ops *can* be exposed.
> 
> Otherwise, hook unregister can fail when low on memory:
> ATM, in case we unregister hook and then fail to alloc the replacement
> blob (that is same as live one minus the removed hook) we leave the
> dummy stub in so old hook function is no longer executed and leave the
> outdated/stale blob in place.
> 
> One alternative to dummy-ops usage is to keep a spare blob around so we
> can avoid the new memory allocation when a hook goes away.
> 
> Then, on delete:
> 
> 1. use the spare (which is large enough) instead
>    and prepare the new blob (without removed fn).
> 2. swap the spare with live version.
> 3. attempt to allocate a new spare.
>    if that fails, force a synchronize_rcu() and make
>    the 'old' live the new spare.
>    Else, use the new spare and avoid the,
>    synchronize_rcu(), old-live is handed off to call_rcu.
> 
> Hook-add would always have to keep the size of the spare
> up to date, so it is always large enough to hold the
> current amount of live hooks.
> 
> Its a bit more work, but it avoids the need for dummy_ops.
> LLM should be able to generate the transformation patches.

Maybe a more simple way is to skip dummy_ops in the netlink dump so it
is not exposed to userspace, that's all.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-09 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-08 16:19 [nf-next PATCH 0/4] Address Sashiko review of NAT hook dump code Phil Sutter
2026-07-08 16:19 ` [nf-next PATCH 1/4] netfilter: nfnetlink_hook: Pass cb object to nfnl_hook_dump_nat() Phil Sutter
2026-07-08 16:19 ` [nf-next PATCH 2/4] netfilter: nfnetlink_hook: Deref hook entry using READ_ONCE() Phil Sutter
2026-07-09 12:07   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2026-07-09 12:36     ` Florian Westphal
2026-07-09 17:04       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso [this message]
2026-07-08 16:19 ` [nf-next PATCH 3/4] netfilter: nfnetlink_hook: Handle multipart NAT hook dumps Phil Sutter
2026-07-08 16:19 ` [nf-next PATCH 4/4] netfilter: nfnetlink_hook: Fix for concurrent NAT hooks dump and change Phil Sutter
2026-07-09 11:28   ` Phil Sutter

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