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From: Chris Wilson <chris@aptivate.org>
To: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: UDP packets sent with wrong source address after routing change [AV#3431]
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:17:23 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1211091609010.6644@lap-x201> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.01.1211082055570.29371@nerf07.vanv.qr>

Hi all,

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

>>> An operating system can therefore never automatically know whether it 
>>> is ok to continue using certain tuples over a link or not, unless the 
>>> user intervenes in some way.
...
>> Even a default-off MASQUERADE flag that says "--update-source-address" would
>> give us the option to have this fixed automatically, provided that people know
>> about the flag and use it.
>
> I'll leave this to the nf_nat maintainer(s) and what direction it
> should go.

While thinking about this last night, I realised that if this is actually 
a bug or limitation in MASQUERADE, then anyone using a Linux router on 
dynamic IP (frequently changing) with one of these UDP devices behind it 
is almost certainly experiencing the same problem:

After the public IP changes (which might be every 8-24 hours in some 
cases), outbound packets from the device keep the old conntrack entry 
alive forever, with the wrong public IP address, and no replies will ever 
be received to those packets. Surely this is a more common scenario than a 
Linux box managing multihoming or failover connections.

I hope that either we will make the MASQUERADE target update the source 
(SNAT) address address automatically by default, or that all cheap router 
vendors will add rules like this:

iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p udp -j MASQUERADE --update-source-address
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE

Cheers, Chris.
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-09 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-08 16:35 UDP packets sent with wrong source address after routing change [AV#3431] Chris Wilson
2012-11-08 17:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-08 18:37   ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-08 20:40     ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-09 16:17       ` Chris Wilson [this message]
2012-11-10 14:07     ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-10 19:13       ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-10 21:47         ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-11 12:23           ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-12 10:24           ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 15:05             ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 15:27               ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 16:56                 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 18:19                   ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-12 19:07                     ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 20:56                       ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 15:58                         ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:09                           ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 16:19                             ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 17:02                               ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 18:01                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-11-12 19:56                     ` Ed W
2012-11-12 19:34                 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 22:34                   ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-13 16:04                     ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-12 23:30                   ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2012-11-13 14:23                     ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-13 15:25                       ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 18:30                         ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-13 19:24                           ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 21:19                             ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-14  8:08                               ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-14 14:14                                 ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-14 14:57                                   ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-14 20:15                                   ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-15 12:33                                     ` Stephen Clark
2012-11-15 14:01                                       ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:11                     ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2012-11-13 16:47                       ` Pablo Neira Ayuso

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