From: Christoph Anton Mitterer <mail@christoph.anton.mitterer.name>
To: Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>
Cc: netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, pablo@netfilter.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/6] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 00:13:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d071e75f1b9981ba8d5f650c5805d79a0f77d683.camel@christoph.anton.mitterer.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPYAuQ89M7Z7doVJ@strlen.de>
On Mon, 2025-10-20 at 11:28 +0200, Florian Westphal wrote:
> Christoph Anton Mitterer <mail@christoph.anton.mitterer.name> wrote:
> > +*drop*:: Immediately drop the packet and terminate ruleset
> > evaluation.
> > + This means no further evaluation of any chains and it’s thus –
> > unlike with
> > + *accept* – not possible to again change the ultimate fate of the
> > packet in any
> > + later chain.
> > +
> > +
> > +Terminate ruleset evaluation and drop the packet. This occurs
>
>
> Hmm, looks like something went wrong during a rebase?
> Why are there 2 blank lines followed by a rephrase of the first
> sentence?
Nah,... my fault, not rebase’s. O:-)
Forgot to remove the old version. Sorry.
> > +For example, a *reject* also immediately terminates the evaluation
> > of the
> > +current rule as well as of all chains, overrules any *accept* from
> > any other chains and can itself not be
> > +overruled, while the various NAT statements may be overruled by
> > other *drop*
> > +verdict respectively statements that imply this.
>
> I totally dislike this sorry :-(
😅️
> There is no overruling, there is no 'verdict state tracking'.
>
> Or would you say that a qdisc that dropped a packet overruled a nft
> accept
> verdict...?
>
> Sorry for spinning on this again and again.
No worries. All fine. :-)
> All this talk about *overrule* makes it sound much more complicated
> than it is.
> Can you re-send this patch standalone, without this pragraph?
>
> Or perhaps just the 'For example, a *reject* also immediately *drops*
> the packet'.
I removed these examples altogether. The sentence:
> These statements thus behave like their implied verdicts, but with
> side effects.
should actually already be enough... maybe I overdid the "holding-the-
reader's-hand-and-guiding-him-through" a bit here O:-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-20 22:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-25 0:07 nft manpage/wiki issues and improvement ideas Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-25 7:35 ` Pablo Neira Ayuso
2025-09-25 20:37 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 0/7] doc: miscellaneois improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 1/7] doc: clarify evaluation of chains Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 2/7] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 10:50 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-02 14:50 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-02 15:21 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-10 23:06 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 3/7] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 4/7] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 11:50 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-10 23:07 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 5/7] doc: add some more documentation on bitmasks Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-30 11:51 ` Florian Westphal
2025-09-30 11:53 ` Florian Westphal
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 6/7] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 1:52 ` [PATCH 7/7] doc: describe how values match sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-09-26 2:32 ` nft manpage/wiki issues and improvement ideas Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:23 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:23 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] doc: clarify evaluation of chains Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:46 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-11 0:23 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:42 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-17 2:30 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:25 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19 0:11 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:23 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-15 11:51 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-11 0:24 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 9:39 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 23:48 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:24 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] doc: add some more documentation on bitmasks Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:32 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19 1:31 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:24 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:35 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-18 22:13 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-11 0:24 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] doc: describe how values match sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-18 13:51 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19 1:50 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 9:28 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 22:13 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer [this message]
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] doc: minor improvements with respect to the term “ruleset” Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 9:04 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] doc: add more documentation on bitmasks and sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 9:06 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 21:57 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 22:18 ` Florian Westphal
2025-10-20 23:51 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-19 1:38 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] doc: minor improvements the `reject` statement Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] doc: miscellaneous improvements Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] doc: fix/improve documentation of verdicts Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] doc: add overall description of the ruleset evaluation Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] doc: add more documentation on bitmasks and sets Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] doc: describe include’s collation order to be that of the C locale Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-20 23:49 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] doc: minor improvements the `reject` statement Christoph Anton Mitterer
2025-10-22 14:34 ` Florian Westphal
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