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From: "Покотиленко Костик" <casper@meteor.dp.ua>
To: Grant Taylor <gtaylor@riverviewtech.net>
Cc: Mail List - Netfilter <netfilter@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ebtables mac update
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:09:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1277888942.4255.0.camel@casper.meteor.dp.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C2A0703.5040007@riverviewtech.net>

В Вто, 29/06/2010 в 09:45 -0500, Grant Taylor пишет:
> On 06/29/10 07:36, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> > The Linux bridge maintains a MAC-port table based on the source MAC 
> > address in received frames. As expected, if a MAC address was 
> > associated to a given port and a frame from that MAC address is 
> > received on a different port, then the table is updated accordingly. 
> > Besides, rebooting the modems and not the Linux box fixes the 
> > problem. So I doubt that the Linux bridge causes the problem.
> 
> I mostly agree.
> 
> The only thing that I would wonder about is is it possible that Linux is 
> seeing the link go down on the physical NIC that is connected to the 
> bridge, thus taking the logical port in the bridge down there by causing 
> it's learned MAC addresses associated with that port to be lost.
> 
> This could easily be tested by putting a hub (or similar) between the 
> Linux box and the Zyxel bridge.  That way when the bridge is rebooted, 
> the Linux box does not see the link go down.  If the problem still 
> corrects its self, you have completely removed the Linux box from the 
> tests, there by strongly pointing at the Zyxel bridge.

Worth trying.

> > Of course the update process requires that the moved box sends 
> > traffic first. If it just sits there waiting then MAC-port tables 
> > won't be updated, until the entry eventually expires.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> Pining or broadcasting looking to see what devices are on the far end 
> should accomplish the same thing.
> 
> > Then may I ask what is the purpose of this box ?
> 
> Remember that EBTables modifies how in kernel bridging behaves.  Thus 
> the in kernel bridging will still behave like a normal bridge, even if 
> EBTables rules are not used.  (In fact it is possible to have bridging 
> support in the kernel with out EBTables.)
> 
> Bridges will still learn (and forget / expire) where MAC addresses are. 
>   So even if there were not EBTables rules, the bridge its self will 
> learn what hosts are on what side of the bridge there by intelligently 
> forwarding (or not) frames across the link that don't need to be.
> 
> I would have been tempted to put a bridge on both sides, not just the 
> one.  Because as it is, broadcasts for the end with out the network are 
> still propagated across the link.

This is to be done. But there is no issue with this until now.

-- 
Покотиленко Костик <casper@meteor.dp.ua>


      parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-30  9:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-29 10:43 ebtables mac update Покотиленко Костик
2010-06-29 12:36 ` Pascal Hambourg
2010-06-29 14:29   ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-06-29 14:57     ` Grant Taylor
2010-06-30  9:24       ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-06-30 15:39     ` Pascal Hambourg
2010-06-30 23:38       ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-06-30 23:54         ` Grant Taylor
2010-07-01  9:08           ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-07-01 16:10             ` Grant Taylor
2010-07-01 17:00               ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-07-01 17:13                 ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-07-01  9:59         ` Pascal Hambourg
2010-07-01 10:11           ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-07-01 10:49             ` Pascal Hambourg
2010-07-01 11:05               ` Покотиленко Костик
2010-06-29 14:45   ` Grant Taylor
2010-06-29 17:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-06-29 19:02       ` Grant Taylor
2010-06-30  9:09     ` Покотиленко Костик [this message]

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