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From: Arnt Karlsen <arnt@c2i.net>
To: netfilter@lists.netfilter.org
Subject: Re: Can IPTABLES be used to send alerts!
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:50:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030828095002.541871b0.arnt@c2i.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0308270926070.7868@simba.math.ucla.edu>

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:43:24 -0700 (PDT), 
Jim Carter <jimc@math.ucla.edu> wrote in message 
<Pine.LNX.4.53.0308270926070.7868@simba.math.ucla.edu>:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Deshwal Chand wrote:
> > I am using IPTABLES and Squid. I want to monitor all the traffic
> > going out of this box. Suppose someone sends his/her CV from our
> > network using his/her Yahoo or Hotmail account, then I may get an
> > alert.
> 
> Another person pointed out that you could make a copy of your
> datastream, using iptables facilities, and feed it to a program that
> you write, which would do the analysis.  But actually analysing the
> data would be very hard, since you would have to understand meaning
> and intent, not just trigger on text strings.
 
> In American custom and law, monitoring users' content is not proper
> behavior.  At UCLA there is a specific regulation that would forbid it
> at my site.  Commercial web hosts such as msn.com have rules
> forbidding pornographic, defamatory, illegal, etc. postings, but in
> the USA the custom is that the host has to wait until someone claims
> to have been harmed by the posting, before taking action.  A few years
> ago, aol.com got proactive about editing postings that criticized AOL,
> and they were severely flamed for it.
> 
> I don't know the situation in Indian and British law, but you should
> definitely consult a lawyer, as well as a spiritual advisor who can
> give you guidance in proper behavior according to Indian custom,
> before snooping on users to detect people trying to get a better job
> elsewhere. If I were interviewing a new programmer and he/she said he
> left his previous job because the employer was snooping on him, I
> would consider that a sufficient reason to leave the job.

..Deswhal, you may use this out to qualify the why not etc, to 
your company.  And, my advice is, get a new job, we'll help.
The chew out:

..Mahatma Gandhi was once asked how he felt about Western Civilization.
He responded: "That would be a very good idea."  

..the same can be said about American Intelligence.  

..I see _no_ honorable reason your company can legally snoop on someone
sending their own CV to get a job in a better company, and this snooping
is a criminal offence, in _all_ civilized countries and jurisdictions.

..furthermore, this snooping is commonly known as espionage and is a 
criminal offence in _all_ countries and jurisdictions I am aware of, 
both civilized and not, and unless you do it for the government in
your own or an allied country, on your own governments order or as a
volonteer spy, and you get caught, you're in for anywhere between 20 
years and death.

..on volonteering your services in helping develop technology to another
and possibly allied, _but_unknown_ intelligence service, this may also 
violate export laws, and you will wanna make _sure_ those 20 years 
upwards, qualify as "worth it", "fair use" and "in good faith", and 
"monitoring" people sending their own CV's, does _not_.

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... 
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-28  7:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-27  8:56 Can IPTABLES be used to send alerts! Deshwal Chand
2003-08-27 14:13 ` Rob Verduijn
2003-08-27 16:43 ` Jim Carter
2003-08-28  7:50   ` Arnt Karlsen [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-27 14:10 dir
2003-08-27 15:35 ` Ramin Dousti
2003-08-28  2:28 ` ads nat
2003-08-28  4:12 Deshwal Chand

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