From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Frank Gruellich Subject: [OT] about this list (was: newbie question) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:54:19 +0200 Sender: netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org Message-ID: <20040408135419.GK10272@home.manuelm.org> References: <004601c41d60$9bf1af70$aa47aacb@hacker> <200404081302.49038.Antony@Soft-Solutions.co.uk> <200404080832.58198.JALaramie@Loudoun-Fairfax.com> <200404081347.02525.Antony@Soft-Solutions.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404081347.02525.Antony@Soft-Solutions.co.uk> Errors-To: netfilter-admin@lists.netfilter.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: netfilter@lists.netfilter.org * Antony Stone 8. Apr 04: > On Thursday 08 April 2004 1:32 pm, Jeffrey Laramie wrote: > > [thanks to Antony] > Hey, thanks, it's nice to remember that there's a lot more people on this list > than just those who post (questions or answers). I totally agree to Jeffrey. And I really admire your patience. Unfortunatelly I don't have it. > Good - in that case I'm doing a useful job :) If I were posting replies > which people thought "yes, I knew that - why didn't the questioner just look > it up in a tutorial somewhere", This list has (IMHO) three 'problems' (this is one of it): 1. There are a lot of 'bad' questition/postings, like "This is my script (200+ lines), it doesn't work, what's wrong?" I would never answer something like this. Many problems are very bad described. (I had some mails offlist with somebody from this list. But after about three mails to and from I still had no idea about the problem. So I gave up.) 2. Additionally most of the questions could be answered with 'RTFM', a -j LOG at a proper place, a 'watch -d iptables -t $table -nvxL $chain' and/or a tcpdump. (Maybe I should write a mini-howto-debug-iptables?) 3. And finally, these very few interesting postings left from this stuff are answerd by Antony in a blink of an eye. (Hey, notice the ticks around the word 'problem'.) > I regard netfilter as a great system, and it's just my way of putting > something back into Open Source. This is very noble trait. I started a lot of mails and finally deleted them. They looked like <200404081339.44504.Antony@Soft-Solutions.co.uk> (but less polite). Thanks for your work, regards, Frank. -- Sigmentation fault