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From: Nico Schottelius <nico-linux-net@schottelius.org>
To: Pablo Neira <pablo@eurodev.net>, netfilter@lists.netfilter.org
Cc: gregor-net@paasch.name, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IPSec - IPTables issues
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 23:15:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040504211557.GA236@schottelius.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4096317F.8020609@eurodev.net>

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Hello Pablo,
(netfilter guys, please read 
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/net/0405.0/0002.html before)

Pablo Neira [Mon, May 03, 2004 at 01:48:15PM +0200]:
> Hi Nico,
> 
> since this stuff is netfilter-related and netfilter/iptables geeks are 
> mostly in netfilter's maillist, I think you could redirect this request 
> there, someone could help you out.

Thank you for the hint. I first thought this is a netfilter problem, but
currently I don't think so.

The problem is IMHO the design of the Linux IPSec implementation.

I'll compare what freeswan did with what Linux 2.6 does now:

Freeswan has virtual devices (ipsec*), through which the unencrypted
packets come into the system. So you can add these firewall lines:

- allow AH, ESP, UDP/500, deny rest on eth0
- allow IPs/networks, etc. on ipsec0

With Linux 2.6 I don't have virtual devices. This means that my IPSec
packets enter the physical device twice:

1. esp encrypted packet enters
2. Linux decrypts it
3. Linux sends the unencrypted packets through the same device again

The problem with that is, that

- allow AH, ESP, UDP/500, deny rest on eth0

will deny the _content_ of my encrypted packages (step three is broken).

Wouldn't this work fine, if we have the virtual device like freeswan had
or is netfilter broken with this?

I mean I cannot practicly setup an IPSec only access point with the current
netfilter and ipsec in Linux 2.6, or am I deadly wrong?

Greetings,

Nico


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       reply	other threads:[~2004-05-04 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20040502155538.GD515@schottelius.org>
     [not found] ` <4096317F.8020609@eurodev.net>
2004-05-04 21:15   ` Nico Schottelius [this message]
2004-05-05  5:28     ` IPSec - IPTables issues Aidas Kasparas
2004-05-05 10:27     ` Patrick McHardy
2004-05-05 10:48     ` Alexander Samad
2004-05-05 14:47     ` Aleksandar Milivojevic
2004-05-05 15:01       ` Aleksandar Milivojevic
2004-05-05 15:22       ` Antony Stone
2004-05-05 16:08         ` John A. Sullivan III
2004-05-05 17:32           ` Antony Stone
2004-05-06 15:59             ` Aleksandar Milivojevic
2004-05-06 16:31               ` John A. Sullivan III
2004-05-05 16:12         ` Aleksandar Milivojevic
2004-05-05 17:29           ` Antony Stone
2004-05-05 19:07             ` Aleksandar Milivojevic
2004-05-06  0:21       ` Patrick Turley
2004-05-06  9:10     ` Wolfgang Walter

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