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From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
To: "Yury Norov" <ynorov@nvidia.com>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Burak Emir" <burak.emir@gmail.com>,
	"Yury Norov" <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
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	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	nova-gpu@lists.linux.dev, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 8/9] rust: id_pool: do not round capacity up to BitmapVec::MAX_INLINE_LEN
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2026 17:04:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DLZL1MN4U8O0.2T00KH5YBSGWN@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ase7IBtZjQsPVWSN@yury>

On Thu Oct 8, 2026 at 4:47 PM BST, Yury Norov wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 03:20:40PM +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>> On Wed Sep 30, 2026 at 2:05 PM JST, Yury Norov wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> > Allocating a pool with 0-bit capacity is wrong. Please don't put it
>> > in the examples. I recall I pointed that this object would panic the
>> > kernel if, for example, you call pool.next_zero_bit(0) immediately
>> > after this. Sorry, but NAK.
>> >
>> > This .with_capacity() should take num_ids: NonZero, after all...
>> 
>> This panic is not specific to the size zero, any size triggers the same
>> behavior when accessed out of bounds.
>
> In C, malloc(0) is implementation defined behavior, i.e. it can return
> a pointer valid for free(), or NULL (which is also valid for free).
>
> This is a very old legacy coming from K&R implementation, then rejected
> in C89, and later this all became an impl-def, mostly for compatibility
> reasons. See 7.20.3 in
>
> https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n937.pdf
>
> Rust adopted C bitmaps, thus creating 0-bit bitmap may go through, and
> hit that questionable behavior. You add this example without any
> discussion about all that possible complications, and with no
> protection for users.
>
> Interestingly, you're doing it for the reason that has been considered
> a bad practice for over 30 years ago - malloc(0) with the immediate
> realloc(). See the above link for details.
>
> To me it looks like pulling legacy with a potential of undefined behavior
> into Rust.

A bad historical design in C standard shouldn't be affecting a modern API
design.

Special casing 0 as a size is bad, because all code would then need to care if
something is 0 or not. Imagine that I have a code that want unconditionally put
a generic piece of data to heap via `KBox`, I should be able to write
`KBox::new(data)` directly without having to do `if size_of::<T>() == 0`.
Special casing 0 break the nice code composition properties.

Rust standard library does not repeat the mistake in its allocation
implementations (and same for our in-kernel allocator abstraction). All
zero-sized allocation are well-defined to return a pointer that is valid for,
well, 0 bytes.

In fact, in kernel we also did the sensible thing -- make 0 byte allocation
defined. `kmalloc(0)` is not a bug and it'll return you `ZERO_SIZE_PTR` which
you can then give to `kfree`. For `krealloc`, both reallocating from 0 to
non-zero or the other way is defined.

Best,
Gary


  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-08 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-30  2:42 [PATCH v9 0/9] rust: Add support for reserving of ranges of IDs Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 1/9] rust: bitmap: use function-level cfg on kunit test Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 2/9] rust: bitmap: restrict bitmap length to at most i32::MAX Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 3/9] rust: sizes: add sub-1K size constants Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  9:12   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-30 11:04     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-09-30 11:22       ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-10-01  0:40         ` Gary Guo
2026-10-01  5:23           ` Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 4/9] rust: sizes: implement SizeConstants for Alignment Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  9:12   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 5/9] rust: use Alignment size constants Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 6/9] rust: bitmap: add contiguous area operations Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  4:41   ` Yury Norov
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 7/9] rust: id_pool: add contiguous ID reservation Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  4:50   ` Yury Norov
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 8/9] rust: id_pool: do not round capacity up to BitmapVec::MAX_INLINE_LEN Eliot Courtney
2026-09-30  5:05   ` Yury Norov
2026-10-01  6:20     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-08 15:47       ` Yury Norov
2026-10-08 16:04         ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-10-09 14:07         ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-09 18:48           ` Burak Emir
2026-09-30  2:42 ` [PATCH v9 9/9] gpu: nova-core: add ChannelIdPool Eliot Courtney
2026-10-08 15:04 ` [PATCH v9 0/9] rust: Add support for reserving of ranges of IDs Alexandre Courbot

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