From: Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com>
To: Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
Allen.Hubbe@gmail.com, "Hook, Gary" <gary.hook@amd.com>,
Sergey.Semin@t-platforms.ru, linux-ntb@googlegroups.com,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] NTB: ntb_perf: fix cast to restricted __le32
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:31:51 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180124073151.GB31120@mobilestation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180124041805.GD20474@kudzu.us>
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:18:06PM -0500, Jon Mason <jdmason@kudzu.us> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:26:37PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Serge Semin <fancer.lancer@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the provided patch is the best solution I could come up with.
> > > The thing is, that the methods can't be changed. Those functions are
> > > the part of the NTB API methods used by many drivers. So basically they
> > > are like pci_{read,write}_config_{byte,word,dword}() methods. We can't
> > > change their prototypes only because it's suit some driver. The methods
> > > give an access to the NTB device dummy u32-sized registers, nothing
> > > else. So endianness is the transmitted data settings in this case.
> > >
> > > NTB is the technology to interconnect some two systems with possibly
> > > different endianness (unlike PCI, which interconnect CPU with LE devices).
> > > In this case I'd need to set some agreement up between two systems about
> > > the endianness of the exchanged data like host and network types in
> > > Linux networking. I've chosen the network data to be little-endian,
> > > that's why I needed first to convert them from CPU to le32, then on
> > > remote side convert them back from le32 to CPU.
> > >
> > > If you have any better suggestion how the warning can be fixed, I'd
> > > be glad to stick to it.
> >
> > I don't think your description matches what you actually do: The
> > underlying ntb hardware drivers (amd, idt, intel, mscc) all treat the
> > incoming data as CPU-endian and convert it to little-endian on
> > the register side, so the framework already assumes that whatever
> > you do here uses a little-endian wire-level protocol.
> >
> > On a little-endian kernel/CPU, nothing is ever swapped here, neither
> > in the ntb_perf front-end nor in the back-ends. On a big-endian
> > kernel/CPU, they both swap, so you end up with CPU-endian
> > data on the wire, so it should be impossible for a big-endian
> > system to talk to a little-endian one. Have you actually tried that
> > combination with the current code?
>
> I do not believe anyone has every tried NTB on a big endien system,
> let alone tried it with one side LE and the other BE. To my
> knowledge, this has only ever been used on x86 to x86.
>
> > If my interpretation is correct, then the best solution would be to
> > completely remove the cpu_to_le32/le32_to_cpu conversions
> > from ntb_perf, and just define that it works like any other PCI
> > device, exchanging little-endian data.
>
> Yes, this would be the best solution. Thank you for the insight.
>
> Serge, when you get a chance, please make this change and resumbit.
>
Ok. I'll do it in an hour.
Regards,
-Sergey
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
> >
> > There are two interesting cases to consider though:
> >
> > - if someone wants to implement an NTB based protocol
> > using big-endian data on the wire, you probably want to add
> > a ntb_peer_spad_read_be()/ntb_peer_msg_write_be()
> > set of interfaces, to go along with ioread32_be()/iowrite32_be()
> > the same way that ntb_peer_spad_read()/ntb_peer_msg_write()
> > ends up doing ioread32()/iowrite32() with the implied little-endian
> > behavior.
> >
> > - memcpy_toio()/memcpy_fromio() and ioread32_rep()/iowrite32_rep
> > importantly do not do any byteswap, they are meant to
> > transfer byte streams.
> >
> > Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-24 7:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-19 17:30 [PATCH] NTB: ntb_perf: fix cast to restricted __le32 Serge Semin
2018-01-19 20:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-01-19 21:03 ` Serge Semin
2018-01-19 21:25 ` Serge Semin
2018-01-19 21:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-01-24 4:18 ` Jon Mason
2018-01-24 7:31 ` Serge Semin [this message]
2018-01-24 7:48 ` [PATCH v2] " Serge Semin
2018-01-24 8:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-01-25 4:13 ` Jon Mason
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