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[2003:d8:2f38:1d00:657c:2aac:ecf5:5df8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-454a9beb22asm141802825e9.36.2025.07.07.06.19.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 07 Jul 2025 06:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <36dd6b12-f683-48a2-8b9c-c8cd0949dfdc@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 15:19:37 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: nvdimm@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/14] mm/memory: drop highest_memmap_pfn sanity check in vm_normal_page() To: Hugh Dickins Cc: Lance Yang , Oscar Salvador , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev, Andrew Morton , Juergen Gross , Stefano Stabellini , Oleksandr Tyshchenko , Dan Williams , Alistair Popple , Matthew Wilcox , Jan Kara , Alexander Viro , Christian Brauner , Zi Yan , Baolin Wang , Lorenzo Stoakes , "Liam R. 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Checking for >>>>>>>> pfn_to_online_page() might be even better, but it would not handle >>>>>>>> ZONE_DEVICE properly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do the same in vm_normal_page_pmd(), where we don't even report a >>>>>>>> problem at all ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What might be better in the future is having a runtime option like >>>>>>>> page-table-check to enable such checks dynamically on-demand. >>>>>>>> Something >>>>>>>> for the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand > > The author of 22b31eec63e5 thinks this is not at all an improvement. > Of course the condition is not triggering frequently, of course it > should not happen: but it does happen, and it still seems worthwhile > to catch it in production with a "Bad page map" than to let it run on > to whatever kind of crash it hits instead. Well, obviously I don't agree and was waiting for having this discussion :) We catch corruption in a handful of PTE bits, and that's about it. You neither detect corruption of flags nor of PFN bits that result in another valid PFN. Corruption of the "special" bit might be fun. When I was able to trigger this during development once, the whole machine went down shortly after -- mostly because of use-after-free of something that is now a page table, which is just bad for both users of such a page! E.g., quit that process and we will happily clear the PTE, corrupting data of the other user. Fun. I'm sure I could find a way to unify the code while printing some comparable message, but this check as it stands is just not worth it IMHO: trying to handle something gracefully that shouldn't happen, when really we cannot handle it gracefully. -- Cheers, David / dhildenb