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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] mm/huge_memory: don't ignore queried cachemode in vmf_insert_pfn_pud()
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 08:46:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fa65d0ed-ccd0-4cca-9ac4-fad423e498b6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <684a58bf34666_2491100d7@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>

On 12.06.25 06:34, Dan Williams wrote:
> David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> We setup the cache mode but ... don't forward the updated pgprot to
>> insert_pfn_pud().
>>
>> Only a problem on x86-64 PAT when mapping PFNs using PUDs that
>> require a special cachemode.
> 
> This is only a problem if the kernel mapped the pud in advance of userspace
> mapping it, right?

Good question, PAT code is confusing.

What I understood is that drivers like vfio will register the range with 
the expected cachemode, and then rely on vm_insert_* to fill out the 
cachemode for them.

Peter explained it in the dicussion here [1] how e.g., vfio triggers 
that early registration.

Regarding vfio, I can see that we do in vfio_pci_core_mmap() 
unconditionally:

vma->vm_page_prot = pgprot_noncached(vma->vm_page_prot);
vma->vm_page_prot = pgprot_decrypted(vma->vm_page_prot);

and probably rely on us querying the actual cachemode to be used later.

vfio can map all kinds of different memory types ...

[1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/aBDXr-Qp4z0tS50P@x1.local

> 
> The change looks good.
> 
> Reviewed-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
> 
> ...but I am struggling with the scenario where this causes problems in
> practice, where vm_page_prot is the wrong cachemode.

Yeah, it's all confusing.

But as long as we don't conclude that pfnmap_setup_cachemode_pfn() can 
be removed entirely (esp. also from pte / pmd case), this seems to be 
the right thing to do and was accidental change in the introducing commit.

Is it actually stable material? I don't know, but possibly getting 
cachemodes wrongs sounds ... bad?

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-12  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 12:06 [PATCH v2 0/3] mm/huge_memory: vmf_insert_folio_*() and vmf_insert_pfn_pud() fixes David Hildenbrand
2025-06-11 12:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] mm/huge_memory: don't ignore queried cachemode in vmf_insert_pfn_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  1:56   ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-12  6:55     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  4:34   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-12  6:46     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-12 15:28   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 15:36     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 15:59       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 16:00         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 17:59   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] mm/huge_memory: don't mark refcounted folios special in vmf_insert_folio_pmd() David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  2:17   ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-12  7:06     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  4:36   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-12 16:10   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-13  7:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 18:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 12:06 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] mm/huge_memory: don't mark refcounted folios special in vmf_insert_folio_pud() David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  4:40   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-12 16:49   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 17:00     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 17:08       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 17:41         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 18:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-11 23:08 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] mm/huge_memory: vmf_insert_folio_*() and vmf_insert_pfn_pud() fixes Andrew Morton
2025-06-12  7:34   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  2:26 ` Alistair Popple
2025-06-12  4:20   ` Dan Williams
2025-06-12  7:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12  8:27       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 16:56         ` Marc Herbert
2025-06-12 16:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-12 16:22   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-12 16:30     ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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