From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from 93-97-173-237.zone5.bethere.co.uk ([93.97.173.237] helo=tim.rpsys.net) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SQF2B-00008t-8s for openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Fri, 04 May 2012 11:42:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tim.rpsys.net (8.13.6/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q449Wu2O013169 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:32:56 +0100 Received: from tim.rpsys.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tim.rpsys.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09855-06 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:32:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.3.10] ([192.168.3.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by tim.rpsys.net (8.13.6/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q449WlcO013163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 10:32:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1336123970.23777.3.camel@ted> From: Richard Purdie To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:32:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1335968616-2436-1-git-send-email-jason.wessel@windriver.com> <9295EE6F-5FFA-4FB4-B266-D8F45AAB2351@dominion.thruhere.net> <1336034822.30113.47.camel@ted> <1336044241.30113.73.camel@ted> <481C530F-A851-4861-B261-9CBE17258D4B@dominion.thruhere.net> <1336045861.30113.83.camel@ted> <6C4B120A-3A7E-43F9-BA67-0A580B9D2911@dominion.thruhere.net> <20120504063229.GC3163@jama.jama.net> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2- Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rpsys.net Subject: Re: [PATCH] qemu-native: depend on unfs-server-native X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 09:42:43 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 08:50 +0200, Koen Kooi wrote: > Op 4 mei 2012, om 08:32 heeft Martin Jansa het volgende geschreven: > > > On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 08:13:06AM +0200, Koen Kooi wrote: > >> > >> Op 3 mei 2012, om 13:51 heeft Richard Purdie het volgende geschreven: > >> > >>> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:39 +0200, Koen Kooi wrote: > >>>> Op 3 mei 2012, om 13:24 heeft Richard Purdie het volgende geschreven: > >>>>> The whole point with the qemu emulated machines is that you build them > >>>>> and they work for new users easily and efficiently. I don't think > >>>>> calling bitbake to build them and force the user into another wait is a > >>>>> good usability model to be promoting. > >>>> > >>>> OE-core should set the right example and teaching people that a global > >>>> IMAGE_DEPENDS is OK is not the right example. Especially when it > >>>> actually causes breakage, see below. > >>>> If people insist that IMAGE_DEPENDS is the one and only way to provide > >>>> the runqemu experience then at least put a big comment in the file > >>>> saying why it's done and why people shouldn't be copy/pasting it into > >>>> their layers. > >>>> And an indiciation where the line is drawn would be nice as well, I > >>>> can imagine that someone wants to add amazon EC2 support to runqemu > >>>> and sends a patch to add the EC2 tools to IMAGE_DEPENDS. > >>> > >>> I'm happy to see a comment. The line is quite clear, the documentation > >>> associated with the qemu images, the quick start guide and other manuals > >>> assume we build qemu-native and friends and for usability this is a > >>> clear win. The manuals do not document EC2 and it is not something we > >>> expect a new user to need to do easily. Running an extra "bitbake xxx" > >>> or including an extra configuration file would be perfectly reasonable > >>> for those usage scenarios. > >>> > >>>>> I'm also slightly bemused that in previous discussions you've implied > >>>>> build time is less relevant then functionality yet here you're taking > >>>>> the opposite stance :). > >>>> > >>>> I get build *failures* for the qemu machines because I don't have mesa > >>>> and sdl installed on the autobuilder. But you are right, I do think > >>>> build time is less relevant than functionality. > >>> > >>> We should also consider setting up PACKAGECONFIG options in the qemu > >>> recipe for these things so you can specify to build qemu-native without > >>> sdl/gl easily. I appreciate that is going to be pretty nasty > >>> implementation wise but I think it would help and in fact if someone > >>> files the bug I'll mark it as a P1 for 1.3 since that does help > >>> usability a lot. > >> > >> #2402 and it's already going the WONTFIX way > > > > #2407 ? > > -ENOCOFFEE, sorry I was wondering what remake had to do with this :). I've replied to the bug, I don't think WONTFIX is appropriate in this case. Cheers, Richard