From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from dan.rpsys.net ([93.97.175.187]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UFUYF-0006BH-Bc for openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 20:08:00 +0100 Received: from localhost (dan.rpsys.net [127.0.0.1]) by dan.rpsys.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r2CIxhWo004174; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:59:43 GMT X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at dan.rpsys.net Received: from dan.rpsys.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dan.rpsys.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aLjwSOpsGj8u; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:59:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.3.10] (rpvlan0 [192.168.3.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by dan.rpsys.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r2CIxTl0004144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:59:36 GMT Message-ID: <1363114248.9859.17.camel@ted> From: Richard Purdie To: Koen Kooi Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:50:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: <980599F4-DEED-41CF-B871-750758BD6D45@dominion.thruhere.net> References: <980599F4-DEED-41CF-B871-750758BD6D45@dominion.thruhere.net> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Otavio Salvador , Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] hybrid systemd/sysvinit X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:08:07 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 08:42 +0100, Koen Kooi wrote: > Op 11 mrt. 2013, om 23:49 heeft Khem Raj het volgende geschreven: > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Burton, Ross wrote: > >>> On 11 March 2013 13:07, Ross Burton wrote: > >>>> This series allows you to have both sysvinit and systemd in DISTRO_FEATURES. > >>>> Packages will be built with both init scripts, and some daemons will be linking > >>>> to libsystemd-daemon so that will be pulled in to sysvinit images. > >>> > >>> Regarding the upgrade path, Richard/Paul/myself discussed this over > >>> lunch and proposed that oe-core could gain an include file for distro > >>> configuration that basically injects the backward compatibility > >>> dependencies. So for meta-systemd, it would inject > >>> replaces/provides/conflicts for each of the packages in meta-systemd. > >>> This would isolate the dependencies into a single location, and be > >>> opt-in for distros that previously shipped meta-systemd. Hopefully > >>> the implementation of this is obvious, and patches to implement this > >>> are welcome. > >> > >> I personally prefer to still use meta-oe systemd class and keep the > >> possibility to product images with choosen init system. I think Martin > >> will also prefer it. > > > > using different init manager is a separate problem than what Ross tried to address here isn't it ? > > I personally don't have a use case where I would upgrade live from 1.3 to 1.4 so > > for me I could easily accept a different solution for 1.4 > > Upgrading between 1.3 and 1.4 is already impossible for non-systemd > related reasons. Which reasons? Cheers, Richard