From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mga11.intel.com (mga11.intel.com [192.55.52.93]) by mail.openembedded.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004AF615B0; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fmsmga002.fm.intel.com ([10.253.24.26]) by fmsmga102.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2014 05:50:53 -0800 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,598,1384329600"; d="scan'208";a="459614737" Received: from unknown (HELO helios.localnet) ([10.252.122.130]) by fmsmga002.fm.intel.com with ESMTP; 03 Jan 2014 05:50:51 -0800 From: Paul Eggleton To: Martin Jansa Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:50:48 +0000 Message-ID: <1694437.j8KFTqxpoU@helios> Organization: Intel Corporation User-Agent: KMail/4.10.5 (Linux/3.8.0-34-generic; KDE/4.10.5; i686; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20140103133727.GE3707@jama> References: <8077054.ZVN9KvzOmn@helios> <20140103133727.GE3707@jama> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Koen Kooi , openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org, openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org Subject: Re: [oe] Piglit in Poky X-BeenThere: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Patches and discussions about the oe-core layer List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:51:01 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Friday 03 January 2014 14:37:27 Martin Jansa wrote: > On Fri, Jan 03, 2014 at 01:26:05PM +0000, Paul Eggleton wrote: > > On Friday 03 January 2014 13:25:13 Andrei Gherzan wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 04:44:52PM +0100, Koen Kooi wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Philip Balister schreef op 28-12-13 23:33: > > > > > On 12/28/2013 10:28 AM, Koen Kooi wrote: > > > > >> Paul Eggleton schreef op 28-12-13 12:48: > > > > >>> Hi Koen, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tuesday 24 December 2013 15:22:32 Koen Kooi wrote: > > > > >>>> Burton, Ross schreef op 23-12-13 19:01: > > > > >>>>> We'd like to integrate Piglit (an OpenGL test suite) into Poky > > > > >>>>> so that we can run automated QA on the GL stack. Piglit is > > > > >>>>> currently residing in meta-oe, but as Poky is a self-contained > > > > >>>>> project we can't just add meta-oe to it: apart from the size of > > > > >>>>> meta-oe, we can't ensure stability if meta-oe makes incompatible > > > > >>>>> changes that affect Poky. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Piglit isn't a stand-alone package, there are the dependencies > > > > >>>>> of waffle, python-mako and python-numpy to consider too. There > > > > >>>>> are two possibilities I can see: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 1) Move piglit and deps to oe-core. Piglit is for QA purposes > > > > >>>>> only and pushes the boundaries of "core platform". In a sense > > > > >>>>> this is a repeat of the discussion we had with Midori... does > > > > >>>>> oe-core contain everything needed to sufficiently exercise the > > > > >>>>> core components it ships or not? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> 2) Add piglit and deps to meta-yocto. Probably a new layer > > > > >>>>> called meta-yocto-qa (or similar) because the Yocto Compatible > > > > >>>>> guidelines forbid mixing distribution policy and recipes. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Speaking of layers, can you *please* rename meta-yocto to > > > > >>>> meta-poky? It's what it's actually is and would remove a lot of > > > > >>>> confusion when trying to explain that yocto is not a distro, even > > > > >>>> if the distro layer is called 'meta-yocto'. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> This is a tangent, but a couple of points: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 1) This rename would not come for free. We'd need to update > > > > >>> people's > > > > >>> existing bblayers.conf files on the fly, as we did when > > > > >>> meta-yocto-bsp was split out of meta-yocto, and thus bump > > > > >>> LCONF_VERSION; however, doing this only in poky has resulted in > > > > >>> annoying problems when users remove poky from their configurations > > > > >>> (since LCONF_VERSION is out-of-step between Poky and OE-Core, > > > > >>> leading > > > > >>> to confusing errors in this situation). Thus I think we'd want to > > > > >>> solve this once and for all by bumping the value in OE-Core as > > > > >>> well > > > > >>> as Poky. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> 2) If you propose this rename, perhaps you will also consider > > > > >>> renaming meta-oe, since that name within a similarly named > > > > >>> meta-openembedded repository leads to a similar level of > > > > >>> confusion...? > > > > >> > > > > >> I have no problems with renaming that layer since I get confused by > > > > >> this a few times a week myself :) > > > > > > > > > > What would we we rename it to? > > > > > > > > I'm very tempted to suggest 'meta-yocto' > > > > > > I definitely find meta-yocto a better option here. It would save me from > > > some confusion when talking about yocto to other people. > > > > I'm not following; meta-yocto is already called meta-yocto ... ? Maybe you > > didn't realise Koen was joking... > > My understanding was that Koen was talking about renaming > meta-openembedded repository to meta-yocto, which would be kind of nice, > but too late for that now, it would be very confusing with the other > meta-yocto repository. I don't think that would be possible anyway. The Yocto Project itself does not officially maintain support for the contents of that repository. It's true that I'm maintaining meta-webserver and folks at Wind River are maintaining meta- networking and some other bits and pieces, but AIUI that work isn't officially under the Yocto Project umbrella - e.g. we do not run these through our QA / testing / release processes like we do Poky / OE-Core. > > > Related to meta-oe, even if that would be a smaller problem, I think > > > meta-openembedded is a better name for that layer too. > > > > That doesn't solve the problem I was talking about, namely that there's > > little distinction between meta-openembedded the repository (that > > contains a number of layers) and meta-oe which is one of those layers. > > These are two different things and the similar naming makes it hard to > > always know which one people are talking about. FWIW, I didn't yet mention my suggestion - I was thinking about meta-oe (the layer) being renamed to "meta-misc" in the absence of some better suggestion. I'm sure we could have a transition mechanism via a specialised layer.conf where the old name continues to work for a limited time. > What's even worse is that github mirror names the repositories > meta-oe/oe-core so even the small distinction "meta-openembedded" = > repo, "meta-oe" = layer doesn't work there. > > https://github.com/openembedded Yes, that should definitely be changed as well. They're supposed to be mirrors so they should have the exact same names, IMHO. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Eggleton Intel Open Source Technology Centre