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From: Martin Jansa <martin.jansa@gmail.com>
To: Mark Hatle <mark.hatle@windriver.com>
Cc: openembedded-core@lists.openembedded.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] image.bbclass: add a method to add/delete/modify user/group settings
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:31:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130708193131.GP3288@jama> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51DAFE8C.8000506@windriver.com>

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On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 01:01:48PM -0500, Mark Hatle wrote:
> On 7/8/13 12:27 PM, Martin Jansa wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:15:40PM -0500, Mark Hatle wrote:
> >> On 7/5/13 3:39 AM, Martin Jansa wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 02:07:28PM +0800, Qi.Chen@windriver.com wrote:
> >>>> From: Chen Qi <Qi.Chen@windriver.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> We may want to add a user or group which does not logically belong to
> >>>> any specific package. For example, we may want to add a user with the
> >>>> name 'tester' to our image. Besides, we may want to delete or modify
> >>>> user/group in our image.
> >>>>
> >>>> This patch adds a variable, USER_GROUP_SETTINGS, which is dedicated
> >>>> to these tasks. The configuration format is detailed in the local.conf.
> >>>> sample.extended file.
> >>>>
> >>>> This patch also adds a function, set_user_group, which happens at
> >>>> the end of the ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND. It handles the settings
> >>>> in the USER_GROUP_SETTINGS variable.
> >>>
> >>> Why not use extra package just with user?
> >>>
> >>> See "[PATCH v3 0/5] Allow xuser to shutdown (cover letter only)"
> >>
> >> The issue is that the users don't want extra (empty) packages to just add
> >> standard users/groups.  What they want is a post image-generation
> >> "configuration" mechanism.
> >>
> >> Adding users/groups is one of the basic items that they want/need.  This really
> >> has to be considered to be an administrative activity vs a distribution
> >> activity.  (I.e. difference between creating a package and performing some kind
> >> of post-image action.)
> >>
> >> The other issue with a package based approach is it then mandates changes occur
> >> by having to rebuild/reinstall packages.  This is onerous in my experience, for
> >> something basic like this.  It's really outside of the package manager's control.
> >
> > We can have all users in one package
> > base-users (like we have base-files)
> >
> > It can allow someone to just define DEFAULT_USERS = "a b c" in
> > local.conf and let base-users recipe to create all 3 automatically.
> >
> > Post image-generation mechanism doesn't allow to add new required users
> > in "upgrade" or installing packages from binary feed with all required
> > users accounts.
> >
> 
> That is exactly it..  these are not users that will -ever- be upgraded or worked 
> on via packages.
> 
> This is equivalent to saying "I'd like users bob, tracy and alice on this image 
> I'm generating."
> 
> It's NOT saying, all systems generated with this package feed will include bob, 
> tracy and alice.

IMAGE_INSTALL += "base-user-bob base-user-tracy base-user-alice"

> If the user wants to add john, after the initial image is generated, they would 
> do so using the adduser functionality of the system (or modifying the 
> passwd/group files.)

And what if john-the-ripper package in the feed needs john as system
user and the same system user is also used by thc-hydra package?

Should both include addusers/addgroup postinsts (like connman,
xserver-nodm-init do without latest patchset)?

> The fundamental problem is that the package feeds and district from the image 
> itself.  The image is nothing more then an installer that happens to be running 
> on the build machine itself.  Things that are part of the distribution belong in 
> the feed, things that are instance/image specific belong as part of the 
> installation process.
> 
> --Mark

-- 
Martin 'JaMa' Jansa     jabber: Martin.Jansa@gmail.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-08 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-05  6:07 [PATCH 0/1] image.bbclass: add a method for image level user/group configuration Qi.Chen
2013-07-05  6:07 ` [PATCH 1/1] image.bbclass: add a method to add/delete/modify user/group settings Qi.Chen
2013-07-05  8:39   ` Martin Jansa
2013-07-05  9:16     ` ChenQi
2013-07-08 17:15     ` Mark Hatle
2013-07-08 17:27       ` Martin Jansa
2013-07-08 18:01         ` Mark Hatle
2013-07-08 19:31           ` Martin Jansa [this message]
2013-07-08 20:10             ` Mark Hatle
2013-07-08 23:20   ` Saul Wold
2013-07-10  6:42     ` ChenQi

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