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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Yubin Ruan <ablacktshirt@gmail.com>
Cc: perfbook@vger.kernel.org, Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: synchronize with a non-atomic flag
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 19:14:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009021433.GB3521@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171009084009.GA5758@HP>

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 04:40:11PM +0800, Yubin Ruan wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 09:07:38AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 05:12:18PM +0800, Yubin Ruan wrote:
> > > 2017-10-06 13:52 GMT+08:00 Yubin Ruan <ablacktshirt@gmail.com>:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I saw lots of discussions on the web about possible race when doing
> > > > synchronization between multiple threads/processes with lock or atomic
> > > > operations[1][2]. From my point of view most them are over-worrying.
> > > > But I want to point out some particular issue here to see whether
> > > > anyone have anything to say.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine two processes communicate using only a uint32_t variable in
> > > > shared memory, like this:
> > > >
> > > >     // uint32_t variable in shared memory
> > > >     uint32_t flag = 0;
> > > >
> > > >     //process 1
> > > >     while(1) {
> > > >         if(READ_ONCE(flag) == 0) {
> > > >             do_something();
> > > >             WRITE_ONCE(flag, 1); // let another process to run
> > > >         } else {
> > > >             continue;
> > > >         }
> > > >     }
> > > >
> > > >     //process 2
> > > >     while(1) {
> > > >         if(READ_ONCE(flag) == 1) {
> > > >             printf("process 2 running...\n");
> > > >             WRITE_ONCE(flag, 0); // let another process to run
> > > >         } else {
> > > >             continue;
> > > >         }
> > > >     }
> > > >
> > > > On X86 or X64, I expect this code to run correctly, that is, I will
> > > > got the two `printf' to printf one after one. That is because:
> > > >
> > > >     1) on X86/X64, load/store on 32-bits variable are atomic
> > > 
> > > Ah...this assumption is wrong at the first place. Atomic access on
> > > 4-bytes integers is guaranteed only when these integer is aligned on a
> > > 4-bytes memory address boundary...
> > 
> > Indeed, accesses crossing cachelines normally won't guarantee you
> > much of anything other than painful debugging sessions.  ;-) 
> 
> I see similar interfaces in the Linux kernel source[1]:
> 
> 	#define atomic_set(v, i)	((v)->counter = (i))
> 	#define atomic_read(v)	((v)->counter)
> 
> which set and read 'atomically' from a atomic variable, and by `atomic', they
> simply mean:
> 
>     The setting is atomic in that the return values of the atomic operations by
>     all threads are guaranteed to be correct reflecting either the value that
>     has been set with this operation or set with another operation.
> 
>     The read is atomic in that the return value is guaranteed to be one of the
>     values initialized or modified with the interface operations if a proper
>     implicit or explicit memory barrier is used after possible runtime
>     initialization by any other thread and the value is modified only with the
>     interface operations.
> (but still, the compare-and-swap operations still involve lock)
> 
> Are those operations atomic because the `atomic_t' is defined as a struct
> 
> 	typedef struct { int counter; } atomic_t;
> 
> and therefore proper alignment and atomic attribute is guaranteed by the
> compiler and the CPU?

Yes, unless you take explicit action to force unalignment, usually
by allocating a block of memory and constructing an unaligned pointer
to the middle of it, but this is almost never a good thing to do.

>                       If I do something like this:
> 
>     atomic_t v = ATOMIC_INIT(0); // globally visible
> 
>     atomic_set(&v, 1); //process 1
> 
>     atomic_set(&v, 2); //process 2
> 
>     int i = atomic_read(&v); // process 3
> 
> will process 3 see any intermediate value between 1 and 2?

Given this code, process 3 should see only the values 0, 1, and 2.

							Thanx, Paul

> Yubin
> 
> [1]: Documentation/core-api/atomic_ops.rst
> 


      reply	other threads:[~2017-10-09  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-06  5:52 synchronize with a non-atomic flag Yubin Ruan
2017-10-06 12:03 ` Akira Yokosawa
2017-10-06 12:35   ` Yubin Ruan
2017-10-06 19:12     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-07  7:04       ` Yubin Ruan
2017-10-07 11:40         ` Akira Yokosawa
2017-10-07 13:43           ` Yubin Ruan
2017-10-07 14:36             ` Akira Yokosawa
2017-10-07 20:20               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-08  9:12 ` Yubin Ruan
2017-10-08 16:07   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-10-09  8:40     ` Yubin Ruan
2017-10-09  2:14       ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]

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