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* Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
@ 2017-11-02 13:32 Akira Yokosawa
  2017-11-03 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2017-11-02 13:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa

Hi Paul,

In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex

@@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
        artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
        compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
        \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
+       In addition, 

        Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
        promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater

What was your intention here?

    Thanks, Akira


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* Re: Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
  2017-11-02 13:32 Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f Akira Yokosawa
@ 2017-11-03 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
  2017-11-03 14:53   ` Akira Yokosawa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2017-11-03 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook

On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:32:30PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
> there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex
> 
> @@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>         artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>         compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>         \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> +       In addition, 
> 
>         Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
>         promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> 
> What was your intention here?

Those two words do leave quite a bit to the imagination, don't they?

Good catch, thank you!  Does the patch below help?

							Thanx, Paul

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

commit 7f417104712459c70117333aa392d680350cae90
Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700

    formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
    
    Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
index 7c1aeac7d112..2fa410252197 100644
--- a/formal/formal.tex
+++ b/formal/formal.tex
@@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
 	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
 	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
 	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
-	In addition, 
+	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
+	freely admit, to their credit:
+	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#What_does_seL4.27s_formal_verification_mean.3F}.

 	Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
 	promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater


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* Re: Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
  2017-11-03 13:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2017-11-03 14:53   ` Akira Yokosawa
  2017-11-03 15:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2017-11-03 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa

On 2017/11/03 06:59:48 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:32:30PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
>> there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex
>>
>> @@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>>         artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>>         compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>>         \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
>> +       In addition, 
>>
>>         Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
>>         promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
>>
>> What was your intention here?
> 
> Those two words do leave quite a bit to the imagination, don't they?

Indeed. ;-)

> 
> Good catch, thank you!  Does the patch below help?
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> commit 7f417104712459c70117333aa392d680350cae90
> Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
> 
>     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
>     
>     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
>     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
> index 7c1aeac7d112..2fa410252197 100644
> --- a/formal/formal.tex
> +++ b/formal/formal.tex
> @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> -	In addition, 
> +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
> +	freely admit, to their credit:
> +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#What_does_seL4.27s_formal_verification_mean.3F}.

The next item in the page:

    https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F

looks more relevant to the "limits", doesn't it?

        Thanks, Akira

>  
>  	Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
>  	promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> 
> 


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* Re: Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
  2017-11-03 14:53   ` Akira Yokosawa
@ 2017-11-03 15:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
  2017-11-03 22:06       ` Akira Yokosawa
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2017-11-03 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook

On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 11:53:00PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> On 2017/11/03 06:59:48 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:32:30PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
> >> there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex
> >>
> >> @@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
> >>         artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
> >>         compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
> >>         \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> >> +       In addition, 
> >>
> >>         Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
> >>         promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> >>
> >> What was your intention here?
> > 
> > Those two words do leave quite a bit to the imagination, don't they?
> 
> Indeed. ;-)
> 
> > 
> > Good catch, thank you!  Does the patch below help?
> > 
> > 							Thanx, Paul
> > 
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > commit 7f417104712459c70117333aa392d680350cae90
> > Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
> > 
> >     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
> >     
> >     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
> >     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > 
> > diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
> > index 7c1aeac7d112..2fa410252197 100644
> > --- a/formal/formal.tex
> > +++ b/formal/formal.tex
> > @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
> >  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
> >  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
> >  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> > -	In addition, 
> > +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
> > +	freely admit, to their credit:
> > +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#What_does_seL4.27s_formal_verification_mean.3F}.
> 
> The next item in the page:
> 
>     https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F
> 
> looks more relevant to the "limits", doesn't it?

Fair enough, please see below.

							Thanx, Paul

------------------------------------------------------------------------

commit 715dff95ec40599a67c6835be78a98de2d45c251
Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700

    formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
    
    Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
    Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
index 7c1aeac7d112..219395354106 100644
--- a/formal/formal.tex
+++ b/formal/formal.tex
@@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
 	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
 	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
 	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
-	In addition, 
+	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
+	freely admit, to their credit:
+	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F}.

 	Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
 	promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater


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* Re: Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
  2017-11-03 15:45     ` Paul E. McKenney
@ 2017-11-03 22:06       ` Akira Yokosawa
  2017-11-03 22:56         ` Paul E. McKenney
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Akira Yokosawa @ 2017-11-03 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Paul E. McKenney; +Cc: perfbook, Akira Yokosawa

On 2017/11/03 08:45:50 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 11:53:00PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>> On 2017/11/03 06:59:48 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:32:30PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
>>>> there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex
>>>>
>>>> @@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>>>>         artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>>>>         compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>>>>         \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
>>>> +       In addition, 
>>>>
>>>>         Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
>>>>         promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
>>>>
>>>> What was your intention here?
>>>
>>> Those two words do leave quite a bit to the imagination, don't they?
>>
>> Indeed. ;-)
>>
>>>
>>> Good catch, thank you!  Does the patch below help?
>>>
>>> 							Thanx, Paul
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> commit 7f417104712459c70117333aa392d680350cae90
>>> Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>> Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
>>>
>>>     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
>>>     
>>>     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
>>>     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>
>>> diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
>>> index 7c1aeac7d112..2fa410252197 100644
>>> --- a/formal/formal.tex
>>> +++ b/formal/formal.tex
>>> @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>>>  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>>>  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>>>  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
>>> -	In addition, 
>>> +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
>>> +	freely admit, to their credit:
>>> +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#What_does_seL4.27s_formal_verification_mean.3F}.
>>
>> The next item in the page:
>>
>>     https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F
>>
>> looks more relevant to the "limits", doesn't it?
> 
> Fair enough, please see below.

Acked-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>

> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> commit 715dff95ec40599a67c6835be78a98de2d45c251
> Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
> 
>     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
>     
>     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
>     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> 
> diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
> index 7c1aeac7d112..219395354106 100644
> --- a/formal/formal.tex
> +++ b/formal/formal.tex
> @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
>  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
>  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
>  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> -	In addition, 
> +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
> +	freely admit, to their credit:
> +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F}.
>  
>  	Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
>  	promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> 
> 


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* Re: Incomplete sentence in commit 405f3f465f7f
  2017-11-03 22:06       ` Akira Yokosawa
@ 2017-11-03 22:56         ` Paul E. McKenney
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul E. McKenney @ 2017-11-03 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Akira Yokosawa; +Cc: perfbook

On Sat, Nov 04, 2017 at 07:06:54AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> On 2017/11/03 08:45:50 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 03, 2017 at 11:53:00PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >> On 2017/11/03 06:59:48 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 10:32:30PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >>>> Hi Paul,
> >>>>
> >>>> In commit 405f3f465f7f ("debugging,formal: Update for increased Linux kernel usage"),
> >>>> there is an incomplete hunk of formal/formal.tex
> >>>>
> >>>> @@ -135,6 +147,7 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
> >>>>         artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
> >>>>         compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
> >>>>         \GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> >>>> +       In addition, 
> >>>>
> >>>>         Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
> >>>>         promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> >>>>
> >>>> What was your intention here?
> >>>
> >>> Those two words do leave quite a bit to the imagination, don't they?
> >>
> >> Indeed. ;-)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Good catch, thank you!  Does the patch below help?
> >>>
> >>> 							Thanx, Paul
> >>>
> >>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> commit 7f417104712459c70117333aa392d680350cae90
> >>> Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >>> Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
> >>>
> >>>     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
> >>>     
> >>>     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
> >>>     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
> >>> index 7c1aeac7d112..2fa410252197 100644
> >>> --- a/formal/formal.tex
> >>> +++ b/formal/formal.tex
> >>> @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
> >>>  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
> >>>  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
> >>>  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> >>> -	In addition, 
> >>> +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
> >>> +	freely admit, to their credit:
> >>> +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#What_does_seL4.27s_formal_verification_mean.3F}.
> >>
> >> The next item in the page:
> >>
> >>     https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F
> >>
> >> looks more relevant to the "limits", doesn't it?
> > 
> > Fair enough, please see below.
> 
> Acked-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>

Applied and pushed, thank you!

							Thanx, Paul

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > commit 715dff95ec40599a67c6835be78a98de2d45c251
> > Author: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > Date:   Fri Nov 3 06:58:10 2017 -0700
> > 
> >     formal: Complete verification-limitations thought in QQ12.33
> >     
> >     Reported-by: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
> >     Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > 
> > diff --git a/formal/formal.tex b/formal/formal.tex
> > index 7c1aeac7d112..219395354106 100644
> > --- a/formal/formal.tex
> > +++ b/formal/formal.tex
> > @@ -147,7 +147,9 @@ The larger overarching software construct is of course validated by testing.
> >  	artifact from the viewpoint of formal verification, it is tiny
> >  	compared to a great number of projects, including LLVM,
> >  	\GCC, the Linux kernel, Hadoop, MongoDB, and a great many others.
> > -	In addition, 
> > +	In addition, this verification did have limits, as the researchers
> > +	freely admit, to their credit:
> > +	\url{https://wiki.sel4.systems/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#Does_seL4_have_zero_bugs.3F}.
> >  
> >  	Although formal verification is finally starting to show some
> >  	promise, including more-recent L4 verifications involving greater
> > 
> > 
> 


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