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From: "Pavel Dovgalyuk" <dovgaluk@ispras.ru>
To: 'Samuel Thibault' <samuel.thibault@gnu.org>
Cc: 'Pavel Dovgalyuk' <Pavel.Dovgaluk@ispras.ru>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kwolf@redhat.com,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org, war2jordan@live.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com,
	ciro.santilli@gmail.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	crosthwaite.peter@gmail.com, zuban32s@gmail.com,
	armbru@redhat.com, maria.klimushenkova@ispras.ru, mst@redhat.com,
	kraxel@redhat.com, boost.lists@gmail.com,
	thomas.dullien@googlemail.com, mreitz@redhat.com,
	alex.bennee@linaro.org, dgilbert@redhat.com, rth@twiddle.net
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 24/24] slirp: fix ipv6 timers
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:37:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000801d424bb$f4b23130$de169390$@ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180726080718.pdzxwxoj4sjjpycm@var.youpi.perso.aquilenet.fr>

> From: Samuel Thibault [mailto:samuel.thibault@gnu.org]
> Pavel Dovgalyuk, le jeu. 26 juil. 2018 10:08:29 +0300, a ecrit:
> > virtual clock should be used by the virtual devices.
> > slirp module is not the virtual device. Therefore processed packets
> > become visible to the guest after passing to the virtual network card.
> > Before that it can create any timers that should not change the state of the guest.
> 
> I'm not sure I understand that part correctly. slirp is not a "device"
> strictly speaking, but it has a whole foot in the virtual world. All
> TCP/UDP/ARP/RA timings are related to the guest timing, so

I don't know all details of slirp, so let me ask:
if the virtual timer runs very slowly (when it configured this way with icount option),
should the timings relate this speed? Or the timers are related to the network devices
(e.g., servers in the outer world)?

> > > > this service is not related to the guest state.
> 
> seems incorrect. At the moment the ip6_icmp timer's current value is not
> saved in the guest state, but in principle it should, so that the guest
> does see the RAs at a regular rate. In practice we don't care because
> the timing is randomized anyway.

Isn't this just a side effect?
I mean that slirp may be replaced by, say, tap, and the guest should not notice
the difference.

> > intended to be used for the internal QEMU purposes, but stops when VM
> > is stopped.
> 
> I again don't understand this. The ip6_icmp timing is not for internal
> QEMU purpose, its whole point is how often RAs are sent to the guest.
> 
> slirp's guest part is not a device as directly seen by guest I/O, but
> it's a router device as seen through guest packets. Think of it like a
> USB device, which is seen by the guest through USB packets.

Record/replay implementation creates a line between the guest state and
the outer world. Everything crossing this line is saved in the log replayed.
In case of network, this line is implemented with the network filter.
It takes packets from slirp(or anything) and passes(or not) them to the guest nic.
When replaying, the saved packets are injected into the filter directly.
Slirp is the part of the outer world, so it shouldn't affect the guest state directly.

Pavel Dovgalyuk

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-26  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-25 12:13 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 00/24] Fixing record/replay and adding reverse debugging Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 01/24] block: implement bdrv_snapshot_goto for blkreplay Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 02/24] replay: disable default snapshot for record/replay Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 03/24] replay: update docs for record/replay with block devices Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 04/24] replay: don't drain/flush bdrv queue while RR is working Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 05/24] replay: finish record/replay before closing the disks Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 06/24] qcow2: introduce icount field for snapshots Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 07/24] migration: " Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 08/24] replay: introduce info hmp/qmp command Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 14:56   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-07-31  6:54     ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 09/24] replay: introduce breakpoint at the specified step Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 10/24] replay: implement replay-seek command to proceed to the desired step Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 11/24] replay: flush events when exiting Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 12/24] timer: remove replay clock probe in deadline calculation Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 13/24] replay: refine replay-time module Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 14/24] translator: fix breakpoint processing Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 15/24] replay: flush rr queue before loading the vmstate Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 16/24] gdbstub: add reverse step support in replay mode Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 17/24] gdbstub: add reverse continue " Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 18/24] replay: describe reverse debugging in docs/replay.txt Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 19/24] replay: allow loading any snapshots before recording Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 20/24] ps2: prevent changing irq state on save and load Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 21/24] replay: wake up vCPU when replaying Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 22/24] replay: replay BH for IDE trim operation Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 12:29   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-07-25 12:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 23/24] replay: add BH oneshot event for block layer Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-26 15:36   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-26 17:20     ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-27  4:52     ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-27 16:44       ` Alex Bennée
2018-08-02  5:50         ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-26 17:17   ` Alex Bennée
2018-07-31  7:00     ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-08-01 16:54     ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-07-25 12:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 24/24] slirp: fix ipv6 timers Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-25 13:44   ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-26  7:08     ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-26  7:35       ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-26  7:37         ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-07-26  7:40           ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-26  8:07       ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-26  8:37         ` Pavel Dovgalyuk [this message]
2018-07-26  9:15           ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-31  6:58             ` Pavel Dovgalyuk
2018-08-01 19:22               ` Samuel Thibault
2018-07-25 14:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v5 00/24] Fixing record/replay and adding reverse debugging no-reply
2018-08-07 23:13 ` Ciro Santilli
2018-09-12  8:14   ` dovgaluk

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