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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Maxim Levitsky" <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Reinoud Zandijk" <reinoud@netbsd.org>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:39:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <001bedba-b12f-4dd8-0866-7ccb9ce877d0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y/z4rwv09Ckhbtfp@redhat.com>

On 27/02/2023 19.38, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 12:10:48PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> We're struggling quite badly with our CI minutes on the shared
>> gitlab runners, so we urgently need to think of ways to cut down
>> our supported build and target environments. qemu-system-i386 and
>> qemu-system-arm are not really required anymore, since nobody uses
>> KVM on the corresponding systems for production anymore, and the
>> -x86_64 and -arch64 variants are a proper superset of those binaries.
>> So it's time to deprecate them and the corresponding 32-bit host
>> environments now.
>>
>> This is a follow-up patch series from the previous discussion here:
>>
>>   https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20230130114428.1297295-1-thuth@redhat.com/
>>
>> where people still mentioned that there is still interest in certain
>> support for 32-bit host hardware. But as far as I could see, there is
>> no real need for 32-bit host support for system emulation on x86 and
>> arm anymore, so it should be fine if we drop these host environments
>> now (these are also the two architectures that contribute the most to
>> the long test times in our CI, so we would benefit a lot by dropping
>> those).
> 
> Your description here is a little ambiguous about what's being
> proposed. When you say dropping 32-bit host support do you mean
> just for the system emulator binaries, or for QEMU entirely ?

Just for system emulation. Some people said that user emulation still might 
be useful for some 32-bit environments.

> And when the deprecation period is passed, are you proposing
> to actively prevent 32-bit builds, or merely stopping CI testing
> and leave 32-bit builds still working if people want them ?

CI is the main pain point, so that's the most important thing. So whether we 
throw a warning or a hard error while configuring the build, I don't care 
too much.

  Thomas



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-28  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-27 11:10 [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386 Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:50   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-27 20:12     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27 20:21       ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-28  8:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 12:26           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-28  9:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 16:57           ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-27 22:32       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-28  7:43         ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  7:49       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  8:19         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  8:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28  9:03             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  9:14               ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  9:40                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 10:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 10:39                     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-28 10:51                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 11:12                         ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28 11:24                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 11:27                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 11:34                         ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-28 11:45                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27 20:25     ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-28  7:52       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit arm hosts and qemu-system-arm Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 18:38 ` [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28  7:39   ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2023-02-28  9:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 11:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 20:05       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28 21:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-01  6:38           ` Thomas Huth
2023-03-01  7:35           ` Markus Armbruster
2023-03-01  7:46             ` Warner Losh

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