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From: Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-fs@redhat.com,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Anton Kuchin" <antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru>
Subject: Re: [Virtio-fs] (no subject)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 09:48:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00272da3-0a48-5544-6ba8-5dfde00be241@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231005131352-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On 05.10.23 19:15, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:08:52PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 02:58:57PM +0200, Hanna Czenczek wrote:
>>> There is no clearly defined purpose for the virtio status byte in
>>> vhost-user: For resetting, we already have RESET_DEVICE; and for virtio
>>> feature negotiation, we have [GS]ET_FEATURES.  With the REPLY_ACK
>>> protocol extension, it is possible for SET_FEATURES to return errors
>>> (SET_PROTOCOL_FEATURES may be called before SET_FEATURES).
>>>
>>> As for implementations, SET_STATUS is not widely implemented.  dpdk does
>>> implement it, but only uses it to signal feature negotiation failure.
>>> While it does log reset requests (SET_STATUS 0) as such, it effectively
>>> ignores them, in contrast to RESET_OWNER (which is deprecated, and today
>>> means the same thing as RESET_DEVICE).
>>>
>>> While qemu superficially has support for [GS]ET_STATUS, it does not
>>> forward the guest-set status byte, but instead just makes it up
>>> internally, and actually completely ignores what the back-end returns,
>>> only using it as the template for a subsequent SET_STATUS to add single
>>> bits to it.  Notably, after setting FEATURES_OK, it never reads it back
>>> to see whether the flag is still set, which is the only way in which
>>> dpdk uses the status byte.
>>>
>>> As-is, no front-end or back-end can rely on the other side handling this
>>> field in a useful manner, and it also provides no practical use over
>>> other mechanisms the vhost-user protocol has, which are more clearly
>>> defined.  Deprecate it.
>>>
>>> Suggested-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
>>> Signed-off-by: Hanna Czenczek <hreitz@redhat.com>
>>> ---
>>>   docs/interop/vhost-user.rst | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++-------
>>>   1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>> Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
>
> SET_STATUS is the only way to signal failure to acknowledge FEATURES_OK.
> The fact current backends never check errors does not mean they never
> will. So no, not applying this.

Can this not be done with REPLY_ACK?  I.e., with the following message 
order:

1. GET_FEATURES to find out whether VHOST_USER_F_PROTOCOL_FEATURES is 
present
2. GET_PROTOCOL_FEATURES to hopefully get VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_REPLY_ACK
3. SET_PROTOCOL_FEATURES to set VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_REPLY_ACK
4. SET_FEATURES with need_reply

If not, the problem is that qemu has sent SET_STATUS 0 for a while when 
the vCPUs are stopped, which generally seems to request a device reset.  
If we don’t state at least that SET_STATUS 0 is to be ignored, back-ends 
that will implement SET_STATUS later may break with at least these qemu 
versions.  But documenting that a particular use of the status byte is 
to be ignored would be really strange.

Hanna



  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-06  7:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-04 12:58 [PATCH v4 0/8] vhost-user: Back-end state migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [PATCH v4 1/8] vhost-user.rst: Deprecate [GS]ET_STATUS Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:08   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:15     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  7:48       ` Hanna Czenczek [this message]
2023-10-06  8:45         ` [Virtio-fs] (no subject) Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  9:15           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06  9:26             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06  9:47               ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 10:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06 11:42                   ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 15:17                     ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-06 15:47                       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 20:49                         ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-09  8:07                           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-07  2:22                   ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-09  8:21                     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09  9:07                       ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09  9:13                         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10  4:00                           ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-10  8:18                             ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10 10:36                               ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-10 13:18                                 ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-10 14:35                                   ` Alex Bennée
2023-10-13 18:02                                     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-17  7:49                                       ` Viresh Kumar
2023-10-17  8:13                                         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-09 10:28                     ` German Maglione
2023-10-10  2:56                       ` Yajun Wu
2023-10-10 10:04                         ` German Maglione
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [PATCH v4 2/8] vhost-user.rst: Improve [GS]ET_VRING_BASE doc Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:38   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-06  7:53     ` [Virtio-fs] " Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06  8:49       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-06 13:55         ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-06 13:58           ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-07 21:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-07 21:27           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-04 12:58 ` [PATCH v4 3/8] vhost-user.rst: Clarify enabling/disabling vrings Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:43   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-18 12:14   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-18 16:17     ` Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [PATCH v4 4/8] vhost-user.rst: Introduce suspended state Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:44   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [PATCH v4 5/8] vhost-user.rst: Migrating back-end-internal state Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [PATCH v4 6/8] vhost-user: Interface for migration state transfer Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [PATCH v4 7/8] vhost: Add high-level state save/load functions Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 12:59 ` [PATCH v4 8/8] vhost-user-fs: Implement internal migration Hanna Czenczek
2023-10-05 17:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-05 17:48 ` [PATCH v4 0/8] vhost-user: Back-end state migration Stefan Hajnoczi

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