From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FB6EE7B616 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qo289-0007Cq-RH; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:41:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qo287-0007B7-Sh; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:41:35 -0400 Received: from smtp-out1.suse.de ([2001:67c:2178:6::1c]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qo286-00079S-8B; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:41:35 -0400 Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-out1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A4E2184D; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:41:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_rsa; t=1696426889; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oRHGFsWWsaMiT4za2Ha7olylZlczXbGP/cTLlISMQZw=; b=BVRh0+8PS/DzVfI6XvSrS4NzPDkbAeYqH5BwoKH6dPpV/exxG38RV48fBqJ0I83nBoHyJb I5/x7tYpW+1eZRIlcpwo4tYt2hlpQgL1qCVtzLJrNxMvcox51VAYfEPoxd6EMuVG0FC2us RwQl/oPFlSzE80663kq2rlQg4aLMf3A= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_ed25519; t=1696426889; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc: mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oRHGFsWWsaMiT4za2Ha7olylZlczXbGP/cTLlISMQZw=; b=E+t5OJRN/YVcrUUHu0TAdojbDPrvz/3Y+A4PgmpLTlBjOtzGo1R1I+gjN5cnXMDLcd+/Df G+BdarjhPQ4yU8DQ== Received: from imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de [192.168.254.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-521) server-digest SHA512) (No client certificate requested) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63D29139F9; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([192.168.254.65]) by imap2.suse-dmz.suse.de with ESMTPSA id RD6BFolrHWWwXgAAMHmgww (envelope-from ); Wed, 04 Oct 2023 13:41:29 +0000 Message-ID: <00b2ec16-162e-9204-3a04-f45e0edeeb15@suse.de> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:41:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] misc: Rename 'softmmu' -> 'system' Content-Language: en-US To: Thomas Huth , =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_P=2e_Berrang=c3=a9?= , =?UTF-8?Q?Philippe_Mathieu-Daud=c3=a9?= Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-riscv@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini References: <20231004090629.37473-1-philmd@linaro.org> <85be2979-c0ca-3eb4-dae9-bbabf256c201@redhat.com> From: Claudio Fontana In-Reply-To: <85be2979-c0ca-3eb4-dae9-bbabf256c201@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:67c:2178:6::1c; envelope-from=cfontana@suse.de; helo=smtp-out1.suse.de X-Spam_score_int: -58 X-Spam_score: -5.9 X-Spam_bar: ----- X-Spam_report: (-5.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.528, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On 10/4/23 14:37, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 04/10/2023 14.33, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 11:06:15AM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: >>> This series finishes the cleanup which remove the confusion >>> of using 'softmmu' when we really mean 'system emulation', >>> as opposition to 'user emulation'. >> >> Am I mis-understanding what you mean by 'finishes' here, as >> I see many references to softmmu remaining >> >> $ git grep softmmu | wc -l >> 270 >> >> In particular under configs/ >> >> I was also hoping it meant that we'd be changing configure >> to allow >> >> configure --target-list=x86_64-system >> >> though the lazy side of me would like >> >> configure --target-list=x86_64-vm >> >> for less typing > > Maybe we should also bikeshed about the naming first... "system" is a quite > overloaded word in this context already, and "vm" sounds rather like > hardware-accelerated stuff ... what about using something like "sysemu"? Or > "fullsys" for "full system emulation" (in contrast to "user space"-only > emulation)? > > Thomas > > Just my 2c, to me "system" is the only word that makes sense here, even from a purely user perspective. We already have exposed "system" to the user as a way to mean this, as in: ./configure --enable-system ./configure --disable-system and if everything is renamed from softmmu to system where it makes sense in the code, it's the best option for development as well in my view. Thanks, Claudio