From: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: tpm2@lists.01.org, Kenneth Goldman <kgoldman@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Chris Friesen" <chris.friesen@windriver.com>,
"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Qi, Yadong" <yadong.qi@intel.com>,
"Xu, Quan" <quan.xu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Choosing PCR banks for swtpm's TPM 2
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:44:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <01ecb9fd-dae2-269f-ba34-94530ed6ec7d@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aa9ce054-f58c-097d-aee3-8fae769d0840@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On 06/25/2018 11:05 AM, Stefan Berger wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am sending this email to solicit input on the choice of the PCR
> banks to enable for swtpm's TPM 2. I have currently enabled 4 PCR
> banks for SHA{1,256,384,512}. The downside of this is that running the
> TPM 2 with so many PCR banks has a performance impact when the Linux
> integrity measurement architecture is used and has to extend
> measurements into all PCR banks, which Linux does already.
>
> TPM 2 has the PCR_Allocate() command for a user to select the PCR
> banks to use. This command allows to make some PCR banks invisible.
> The change has to be done through the firmware and has the downside
> that the TPM2 does not support TPM2_Shutdown(SU_STATE) after this
> command was used. This prevents suspend/resume from working properly.
> So, it seems that one shouldn't have to use this command, which in
> turn means the number of PCR banks should be small.
Actually that was my interpretation of the specs and from what it looks
like I was wrong assuming that once PCR_Allocate() was used that
TPM2_Shutdown(SU_STATE) cannot be used anymore at all. The text is a bit
ambiguous about it. This command can be sent, but the machine needs to
be rebooted and with that the TPM 2 reset.
The next issue is that the IBM TSS2 is hard coded for 3 PCR banks and a
few commands are breaking because of that. Now the solution would be to:
- compile-time disable the SHA512 bank; this will break existing state
but for as long as it's in preview, I hope this is ok; we cannot easily
enable SHA512 then in the future.
- swtpm_setup gets a --pcr-banks <PCR banks> option that
PCR_Allocate()'s the active PCR banks for the swtpm. The default will be
SHA 1 and SHA 256, which disables the SHA 384 PCR bank; Users can choose
their banks if they run this command directly. SHA1 and SHA256 seems to
be a reasonable set of active PCR banks for now.
Stefan
>
> Another complication with the swtpm is the upgrade path. Suspended VMs
> will expect that the PCR banks that were available before the suspend
> will be available after the resume and a possible swtpm upgrade. This
> in turn means that the PCR banks should be chosen now and we'll have
> to stick with them.
>
> That said, my suggestion would be to enable only PCR banks for SHA256
> for 'now' and SHA512 for the future. Having two PCR banks should
> enable decent performance. If someone wants to have better performance
> he will have to go through the firmware to select the PCR banks at the
> expense of loosing suspend/resume support.
>
> The change of PCR banks for the current 4 PCR banks will break the
> state of all swtpms.
>
> If you have suggestions, please let me know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stefan
>
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-06-25 19:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-06-25 15:05 [Qemu-devel] Choosing PCR banks for swtpm's TPM 2 Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 15:18 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-25 15:22 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 15:29 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-25 15:54 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 16:11 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-25 16:23 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 15:25 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25 15:56 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 15:59 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25 16:08 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 16:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-25 16:15 ` Stefan Berger
2018-06-25 19:44 ` Stefan Berger [this message]
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=01ecb9fd-dae2-269f-ba34-94530ed6ec7d@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--to=stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com \
--cc=chris.friesen@windriver.com \
--cc=kgoldman@us.ibm.com \
--cc=marcandre.lureau@redhat.com \
--cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
--cc=quan.xu@intel.com \
--cc=tpm2@lists.01.org \
--cc=yadong.qi@intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).