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From: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
To: Michael Clark <michael@anarch128.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcg: refactor pool data for simplicity and comprehension
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:01:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <05f94ee7-a0ea-4e8f-bf84-0674a98cdb96@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aedcfd05-96fc-4e8a-9fcb-3763e30a6663@anarch128.org>

On 2/16/25 00:00, Michael Clark wrote:
> On 2/16/25 06:58, Richard Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> the label member is merely a pointer to the instruction text to
>>> be updated with the relative address of the constant, the primary
>>> data is the constant data pool at the end of translation blocks.
>>> this relates more closely to .data sections in offline codegen
>>> if we were to imagine a translation block has .text and .data.
>>
>> No, it doesn't.  It relates most closely to data emitted within .text, accessed via pc- 
>> relative instructions with limited offsets.
>>
>> This isn't a thing you'd have ever seen on x86 or x86_64, but it is quite common for 
>> arm32 (12-bit offsets), sh4 (8-bit offsets), m68k (16- bit offsets) and such.  Because 
>> the offsets are so small, they could even be placed *within* functions not just between 
>> them.
> 
> I mentioned before I like the idea and have thought about architectures with constant 
> streams and constant branch units.
> 
> say for arguments sake we considered it 'TCData' with embedded label and reloc (the 
> purpose is the constant after after all, just it is not a TCGTemp, it's an explicitly 
> reified constant in the codegen emitters). wondering if we could add a "disposition" field 
> to control placement. TCG_DISP_TEXT_TB, TCG_DISP_DATA, etc. this way you could ask the 
> code generator to do something more conventional while still supporting the short relative 
> constant islands. "disposition" might be better than section as a name. also a DATA 
> section could be mmap R without X perms to lessen the risk of injecting code as constants.

I don't think there's any point to doing anything differently than we currently do: place 
the data at the end of the TB.

(1) The architectures that we host and use the constant pool currently have
     relatively large displacements: aarch64 (21 bit), x86_64 (32 bit),
     ppc (16 or 34 bit (power10 only)), riscv (32 bit), s390x (34 bit).

(2) The size of a TB pretty generally maxes out at 3-4k, but is firmly capped at 64k
     by uint16_t TranslationBlock.jmp_reset_offset.

(3) The 16 and 21-bit offsets are not large enough to stretch to a read-only mapping.

(4) Memory management of TranslationBlocks becomes *much* more complicated.

> TCGConstant is another alternative I would consider as okay. distinct from TCGTemp of type 
> TEMP_CONST which is heavier weight. it makes one wonder about reification of large 
> implicit constants as opposed to the explicitly emitted ones we are talking about here.

TCGConstant isn't bad, but I think I prefer TCGPoolData as mooted before.

> i'm looking at a TCG source-compatible code generator as an option so I may experiment 
> locally. it is a private interface at the moment anyhow. that just seemed inconsistent as 
> most structure definitions are in the header. but I understand it is a private interface.

The organization of tcg.h is from antiquity.  I am actively trying to reduce the size of 
the exported API.


r~


      reply	other threads:[~2025-02-16 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-15  2:11 [PATCH] tcg: refactor pool data for simplicity and comprehension Michael Clark
2025-02-15 17:58 ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-15 20:24   ` Michael Clark
2025-02-15 21:50     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-15 22:40       ` Michael Clark
2025-02-15 23:41         ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-16  0:48           ` Michael Clark
2025-02-15 22:58     ` Michael Clark
2025-02-16  8:00   ` Michael Clark
2025-02-16 18:01     ` Richard Henderson [this message]

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