From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: ThinerLogoer <logoerthiner1@163.com>,
"stefanha@redhat.com" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/3] softmmu/physmem: fallback to opening guest RAM file as readonly in a MAP_PRIVATE mapping
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:07:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <06f9a805-8150-8106-7d0a-05d0d2465cd0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b967b3.13b7.189e82ee694.Coremail.logoerthiner1@163.com>
@Stefan, see below on a R/O NVDIMM question.
We're discussing how to get MAPR_PRIVATE R/W mapping of a
memory-backend-file running when using R/O files.
>
> This seems a good idea. I am good with the solution you proposed
> here as well.
I was just going to get started working on that, when I realized
something important:
"@readonly: if true, the backing file is opened read-only; if false,
it is opened read-write. (default: false)"
"@share: if false, the memory is private to QEMU; if true, it is
shared (default: false)"
So readonly is *all* about the file access mode already ... the mmap()
parameters are just a side-effect of that. Adding a new
"file-access-mode" or similar would be wrong.
Here are the combinations we have right now:
-object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=on
-> Existing behavior: Open readonly, mmap readonly shared
-> Makes sense, mmap'ing readwrite would fail
-object memory-backend-file,share=on,readonly=off
-> Existing behavior: Open readwrite, mmap readwrite shared
-> Mostly makes sense: why open a shared file R/W and not mmap it
R/W?
-object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=off
-> Existing behavior: Open readwrite, mmap readwrite private
-> Mostly makes sense: why open a file R/W and not map it R/W (even if
private)?
-object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=on
-> Existing behavior: Open readonly, mmap readonly private
-> That's the problematic one
So for your use case (VM templating using a readonly file), you
would actually want to use:
-object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=on
BUT, have the mmap be writable (instead of currently readonly).
Assuming we would change the current behavior, what if someone would
specify:
-object memory-backend-file,readonly=on
(because the default is share=off ...) and using it for a R/O NVDIMM,
where we expect any write access to fail.
But let's look at the commit that added the "readonly" parameter:
commit 86635aa4e9d627d5142b81c57a33dd1f36627d07
Author: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Date: Mon Jan 4 17:13:19 2021 +0000
hostmem-file: add readonly=on|off option
Let -object memory-backend-file work on read-only files when the
readonly=on option is given. This can be used to share the contents of a
file between multiple guests while preventing them from consuming
Copy-on-Write memory if guests dirty the pages, for example.
That was part of
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210104171320.575838-3-stefanha@redhat.com/T/#m712f995e6dcfdde433958bae5095b145dd0ee640
From what I understand, for NVDIMMs we always use
"-object memory-backend-file,share=on", even when we want a
readonly NVDIMM.
So we have two options:
1) Change the current behavior of -object memory-backend-file,share=off,readonly=on:
-> Open the file r/o but mmap it writable
2) Add a new property to configure the mmap accessibility. Not a big fan of that.
@Stefan, do you have any concern when we would do 1) ?
As far as I can tell, we have to set the nvdimm to "unarmed=on" either way:
+ "unarmed" controls the ACPI NFIT NVDIMM Region Mapping Structure "NVDIMM
+ State Flags" Bit 3 indicating that the device is "unarmed" and cannot accept
+ persistent writes. Linux guest drivers set the device to read-only when this
+ bit is present. Set unarmed to on when the memdev has readonly=on.
So changing the behavior would not really break the nvdimm use case.
Further, we could warn in nvdimm code when we stumble over this configuration with
unarmed=on.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-17 9:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-07 19:07 [PATCH v1 0/3] softmmu/physmem: file_ram_open() readonly improvements David Hildenbrand
2023-08-07 19:07 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] softmmu/physmem: fallback to opening guest RAM file as readonly in a MAP_PRIVATE mapping David Hildenbrand
2023-08-08 21:01 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-09 5:39 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-09 9:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-09 15:15 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-10 14:19 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-10 17:06 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-10 21:24 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-11 5:49 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-11 14:31 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-12 6:21 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:35 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 19:00 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-12 5:18 ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-17 9:07 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-08-17 14:30 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 14:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-17 14:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 14:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-17 14:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 14:41 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-17 15:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 15:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-17 15:15 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 15:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 15:31 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-17 15:43 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 13:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-17 13:48 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 14:59 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 15:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 16:16 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-11 16:17 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 16:22 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-11 16:25 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 16:54 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-11 17:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-11 21:07 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-21 12:20 ` Igor Mammedov
2023-08-11 15:47 ` Peter Xu
2023-08-17 13:42 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-17 13:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-17 13:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-08-17 13:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-07 19:07 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] softmmu/physmem: fail creation of new files in file_ram_open() with readonly=true David Hildenbrand
2023-08-07 19:07 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] softmmu/physmem: never return directories from file_ram_open() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-08 17:26 ` Re:[PATCH v1 0/3] softmmu/physmem: file_ram_open() readonly improvements ThinerLogoer
2023-08-10 11:11 ` [PATCH " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-10 16:35 ` ThinerLogoer
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