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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"Cleber Rosa" <crosa@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/37] qapi/common.py: Add indent manager
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:08:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <084495dc-dfb3-084d-ff83-cdfb90cd61f4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87363fjqv6.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 9/18/20 6:55 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:

>> We'll get to them in due time. For now, please admire the lipstick.
> 
> If I take off my glasses and step six feet back, I just might be able to
> overlook it.
> 

I consider writing a nice __repr__ good habit, I'd prefer not to delete 
it just because the rest of our code doesn't do so yet. (Give me time.)

I spend a lot of my time in the interactive python console: having nice 
__repr__ methods is a good habit, not an unsightly blemish.

>>>>>> +    def pop(self, amount: int = 4) -> int:
>>>>>> +        """Pop `amount` spaces off of the indent, default four."""
>>>>>> +        if self._level < amount:
>>>>>> +            raise ArithmeticError(
>>>>>> +                "Can't pop {:d} spaces from {:s}".format(amount, repr(self)))
>>> I think assert(amount <= self._level) would do just fine.
>>>
>>
>> Secretly, asserts can be disabled in Python just like they can in C code.
> 
> There are compilers that let you switch off array bounds checking.
> Would you advocate manual bounds checking to protect people from their
> own folly?
> 
>> My habit: if it's something that should already be true given the
>> nature of how the code is laid out, use an assertion. If I am
>> preventing an erroneous state (Especially from callers in other
>> modules), explicitly raise an exception.
> 
> I check function preconditions ruthlessly with assert.  There's no sane
> way to recover anyway.
> 
> Without a way to recover, the only benefit is crashing more prettily.
> If the error is six levels deep in a some fancy-pants framework, then
> prettier crashes might actually help someone finding the error slightly
> faster.  But it ain't.
> 
> My final argument is local consistency: use of assertions to check
> preconditions is pervasive in scripts/qapi/.
> 

You're right that there's no safe recovery from an error such as this. 
The only actual difference is whether you see AssertionError or 
ArithmeticError.

One can be disabled (But you rightly shouldn't), the other can't. One 
has more semantic meaning and information to it.

I prefer what I've currently written.

--js



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-18 16:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-15 22:39 [PATCH 00/37] qapi: static typing conversion, pt1 John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 01/37] python: Require 3.6+ John Snow
2020-09-16  8:42   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16  8:51   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 02/37] [DO-NOT-MERGE] qapi: add debugging tools John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 03/37] qapi-gen: Separate arg-parsing from generation John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 04/37] qapi: move generator entrypoint into module John Snow
2020-09-16 11:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16 14:24     ` John Snow
2020-09-17  7:46       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 05/37] qapi: Remove wildcard includes John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 06/37] qapi: delint using flake8 John Snow
2020-09-16 12:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16 14:29     ` John Snow
2020-09-17  7:54       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 16:57         ` John Snow
2020-09-18 10:33           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-18 18:13             ` John Snow
2020-09-21  7:31               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-21 14:50                 ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 07/37] qapi: add pylintrc John Snow
2020-09-16 12:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16 14:37     ` John Snow
2020-09-17  7:58       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 17:06         ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 08/37] qapi/common.py: Remove python compatibility workaround John Snow
2020-09-16 12:34   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16 14:38     ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:39 ` [PATCH 09/37] qapi/common.py: Add indent manager John Snow
2020-09-16 15:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-16 22:25     ` John Snow
2020-09-17  8:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 17:18         ` John Snow
2020-09-18 10:55           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-18 16:08             ` John Snow [this message]
2020-09-21  7:43               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 10/37] qapi/common.py: delint with pylint John Snow
2020-09-17 14:15   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 17:48     ` John Snow
2020-09-18 11:03       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 11/37] qapi/common.py: Replace one-letter 'c' variable John Snow
2020-09-17 14:17   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 17:51     ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 12/37] qapi/common.py: check with pylint John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 13/37] qapi/common.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-17 14:32   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 18:18     ` John Snow
2020-09-17 20:06       ` John Snow
2020-09-18 11:14       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-18 15:24         ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 14/37] qapi/common.py: Move comments into docstrings John Snow
2020-09-17 14:37   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 18:44     ` John Snow
2020-09-17 19:14       ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-09-17 19:31         ` John Snow
2020-09-24 15:06           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-24 16:31             ` John Snow
2020-09-25  7:49               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-25 14:07                 ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 15/37] qapi/common.py: split build_params into new file John Snow
2020-09-17 14:42   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-17 18:53     ` John Snow
2020-09-17 19:40     ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 16/37] qapi: establish mypy type-checking baseline John Snow
2020-09-18 11:55   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-18 14:27     ` John Snow
2020-09-21  8:05       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-21 14:41         ` John Snow
2020-09-25  1:18         ` Eduardo Habkost
2020-09-18 19:03     ` John Snow
2020-09-21  8:05       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-21 14:46         ` John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 17/37] qapi/events.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 18/37] qapi/events.py: Move comments into docstrings John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 19/37] qapi/commands.py: Don't re-bind to variable of different type John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 20/37] qapi/commands.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 21/37] qapi/commands.py: enable checking with mypy John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 22/37] qapi/source.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 23/37] qapi/source.py: delint with pylint John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 24/37] qapi/gen.py: Fix edge-case of _is_user_module John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 25/37] qapi/gen.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 26/37] qapi/gen.py: Enable checking with mypy John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 27/37] qapi/gen.py: Remove unused parameter John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 28/37] qapi/gen.py: update write() to be more idiomatic John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 29/37] qapi/gen.py: delint with pylint John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 30/37] qapi/introspect.py: Add a typed 'extra' structure John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 31/37] qapi/introspect.py: add _gen_features helper John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 32/37] qapi/introspect.py: create a typed 'Node' data structure John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 33/37] qapi/introspect.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 34/37] qapi/types.py: " John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 35/37] qapi/types.py: remove one-letter variables John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 36/37] qapi/visit.py: remove unused parameters from gen_visit_object John Snow
2020-09-15 22:40 ` [PATCH 37/37] qapi/visit.py: add notational type hints John Snow
2020-09-16 22:33 ` [PATCH 00/37] qapi: static typing conversion, pt1 John Snow
2020-09-17 20:22 ` John Snow
2020-09-18  7:50   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-09-18 13:07 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-09-18 14:30   ` John Snow

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