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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>
Cc: QEMU-devel Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 19:49:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09AF9F0A-2A29-4D53-8567-2DD60E5DD4D0@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=P68Btj_b_HG=vdjhXF77BYYpKG4XygN3HO531@mail.gmail.com>


On 26.11.2010, at 19:44, Blue Swirl wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> wrote:
>> The way mmio endianness is currently implemented is horrifying.
>> 
>> In the real world, CPUs have an endianness and write out data
>> to the memory bus. Instead of RAM, a receiving side here can be
>> a device. This device gets a byte stream again and needs to
>> make sense of it.
>> 
>> Since big endian systems write big endian numbers into memory
>> while little endian systems write little endian numbers there,
>> the device and software on the CPU need to be aware of this.
>> 
>> In practice, most devices these days (ISA, PCI) assume that
>> the data is little endian. So to communicate with such a device
>> from the CPU's side, the OS byte swaps all MMIO.
>> 
>> In qemu however, we simply pass the register value we find on
>> to the device. So any byte mangling the guest does to compensate
>> for the transfer screw us up by exposing byte swapped MMIO
>> on the device's side.
>> 
>> The way this has been fixed historically is by constructs like
>> this one:
>> 
>> #ifdef TARGET_WORDS_BIGENDIAN
>>    val = bswap32(val);
>> #endif
>> 
>> With the move to get device code only compiled once, this has
>> become harder and harder to justify though, since we don't know
>> the target endianness during compile time.
>> 
>> It's especially bad since it doesn't make any sense at all to
>> clutter all the device code with endianness workarounds, aside
>> from the fact that about 80% of the device code currently does
>> the wrong thing :).
>> 
>> So my solution to the issue is to make every device define if
>> it's a little, big or native (target) endianness device. This
>> basically tells the layers below what endianness the device
>> expects mmio to occur in. Little endian devices on little endian
>> hosts don't swap. On big endian hosts they do. Same the other
>> way around.
>> 
>> The only reason I added "native" endianness is that we have some
>> PV devices like the fw_cfg that expect qemu's broken behavior.
>> These devices are the minority though. In the long run I'd expect
>> to see most code be committed with either of the two endianness
>> choices.
>> 
>> The patch set also includes a bunch of conversions for devices
>> that were already aware of endianness.
>> 
>> This is an RFC, so please comment as much as you can :).
> 
> Nice approach, better than mine. I'm looking forward to see VGA
> converted ;-). It's used by almost all targets, so that conversion
> would save a lot of compile cycles.

The only issue for VGA should be the frame buffer. Since we can keep that as DEVICE_NATIVE_ENDIAN, we should be good. I hope. Not sure yet. :)

So far there hasn't really been any negative feedback. Should we take this RFC as v1 and just merge it?


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-26 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-25  7:35 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/15] exec: introduce endianness swapped mmio Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 23:00   ` Andreas Färber
2010-11-26 23:06     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 23:18     ` Peter Maydell
2010-11-26 23:47     ` Paul Brook
2010-11-27 10:05       ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-27 10:24         ` Paul Brook
2010-11-28  8:12   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-28 11:05     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/15] Add endianness as io mem parameter Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/15] Make simple io mem handler endian aware Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/15] dbdma: Make little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/15] pci-host: Delegate bswap to mmio layer Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/15] uninorth: Get rid of bswap Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/15] e1000: Make little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/15] prep: Declare as " Alexander Graf
2010-11-26 21:58   ` Andreas Färber
2010-11-26 22:06     ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-27  0:08       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/15] versatile_pci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/15] ppc4xx_pci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/15] openpic: Replace explicit byte swap with endian hints Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/15] rtl8139: Declare as little endian Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/15] heathrow_pic: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/15] isa_mmio: Always use " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25  7:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/15] usb_ohci: " Alexander Graf
2010-11-25 10:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/15] [RFC] MMIO endianness cleanup Gerd Hoffmann
2010-11-25 10:23   ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-25 10:42   ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-25 12:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paul Brook
2010-11-26 18:44 ` Blue Swirl
2010-11-26 18:49   ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2010-11-27 10:09     ` Avi Kivity

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