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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] io: Support shutdown of TLS channel
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:46:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0b3fb119-64c5-0e03-c43d-15e9683fcfd7@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200327174334.GT1619@redhat.com>

On 3/27/20 12:43 PM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:

>>> I don't think it is acceptable to do this loop here. The gnutls_bye()
>>> function triggers several I/O operations which could block. Looping
>>> like this means we busy-wait, blocking this thread for as long as I/O
>>> is blocking on the socket.
>>
>> Hmm, good point.  Should we give qio_channel_tls_shutdown a bool parameter
>> that says whether it should wait (good for use when we are being run in a
>> coroutine and can deal with the additional I/O) or just fail with -EAGAIN
>> (which the caller can ignore if it is not worried)?
> 
> A bool would not be sufficient, because the caller would need to know
> which direction to wait for I/O on.
> 
> Looking at the code it does a flush of outstanding data, then sends
> some bytes, and then receives some bytes. The write will probably
> work most of the time, but the receive is almost always going to
> return -EAGAIN. So I don't think that failing with EGAIN is going
> to be much of a benefit.

Here, I'm guessing you're talking about gnutls lib/record.c.  But note: 
for GNUTLS_SHUT_WR, it only does _gnutls_io_write_flush and 
gnutls_alert_send; the use of _gnutls_recv_int is reserved for 
GNUTLS_SHUT_RDWR.  When informing the other end that you are not going 
to write any more, you don't have to wait for a reply.

> 
>>> If we must call gnutls_bye(), then it needs to be done in a way that
>>> can integrate with the main loop so it poll()'s / unblocks the current
>>> coroutine/thread.  This makes the whole thing significantly more
>>> complex to deal with, especially if the shutdown is being done in
>>> cleanup paths which ordinarily are expected to execute without
>>> blocking on I/O.  This is the big reason why i never made any attempt
>>> to use gnutls_bye().
>>
>> We _are_ using gnutls_bye(GNUTLS_SHUT_RDWR) on the close() path (which is
> 
> Are you sure ?  AFAIK there is no existing usage of gnutls_bye() at all
> in QEMU.

Oh, I'm confusing that with nbdkit, which does use 
gnutls_bye(GNUTLS_SHUT_RDWR) but does not wait for a response (at least, 
not yet).

> 
>> indeed a cleanup path where not blocking is worthwhile) even without this
>> patch, but the question is whether using gnutls_bye(GNUTLS_SHUT_WR) in the
>> normal data path, where we are already using coroutines to manage callbacks,
>> can benefit the remote endpoint, giving them a chance to see clean shutdown
>> instead of abrupt termination.
> 
> I'm not convinced the clean shutdown at the TLS level does anything important
> given that we already have done a clean shutdown at the NBD level.

Okay, then for now, I'll still try and see if I can fix the 
libnbd/nbdkit hang without relying on qemu sending a clean 
gnutls_bye(GNUTLS_SHUT_WR).

-- 
Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.           +1-919-301-3226
Virtualization:  qemu.org | libvirt.org



  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-27 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-27 16:19 [PATCH 0/3] nbd: Try for cleaner TLS shutdown Eric Blake
2020-03-27 16:19 ` [PATCH 1/3] crypto: Add qcrypto_tls_shutdown() Eric Blake
2020-03-31  8:30   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-03-31 15:17     ` Eric Blake
2020-03-31 15:33       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-27 16:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] io: Support shutdown of TLS channel Eric Blake
2020-03-27 16:40   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-27 17:29     ` Eric Blake
2020-03-27 17:43       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-27 18:46         ` Eric Blake [this message]
2020-03-27 16:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] nbd: Use shutdown(SHUT_WR) after last item sent Eric Blake
2020-03-27 16:35   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-27 17:42     ` Eric Blake
2020-03-27 17:47       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-03-27 18:44 ` [PATCH 0/3] nbd: Try for cleaner TLS shutdown no-reply

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