[Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Jean-Michel POURE]

Dear friends,

Please find enclosed the link to my proposal for QEMU logo:
http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_inkscape.png
http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_inkscape.svg (source file)

An example banner is available here:
http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_gimp.png
http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_gimp.xcf (source file)

Why chose a mask?

Because QEMU can be used to mask an underlying Operating System and give 
access to a Free Operating System, which are "pleasant" news. Therefore, the 
mask is quite pleasant and happy.

On the other side, it is a carniaval mask. Carnivals have been used to forget 
about differences in the society and find common grounds for understanding.

Any feedback appreciated.

(I wrote Fabrice too about choosing an animal. If you want something more in 
the GNU mind, I can design a stylised Cheetah because QEMU is FAST).

Kindest regards,
Jean-Michel Pouré

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Masks and clowns give me the creeps. And the Carnival thing won't make
sense to anyone in the U.S. Here, carnivals have more of a history of
being freak shows and in modern times, just a traveling bunch of cheap
imitations of big amusement park rides.

I like the Cheetah idea better, but I think there is Free Pascal
compiler that uses the Cheetah mascot.

Maybe a Gazelle, or a racecar or jackrabbit...

Hey an Emu is pretty fast. At least it feels fast if one is chasing
after you...

Get it, Q-emu

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[vaise]

On Monday 05 July 2004 07:40, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
> Masks and clowns give me the creeps.
I agree

> Maybe a Gazelle, or a racecar or jackrabbit...
well, I am not sure speed is the first thing to show.
ideas :
-A PC in a PC
-a mix of several OS logos
-freedom

> Get it, Q-emu
"Try it, Get it. Qemu."
"Think different. Use Qemu"

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Jean-Michel POURE]

> -A PC in a PC
Good idea. Why not Russian puppets?
Or an open Russian puppet including a computer?

> -a mix of several OS logos
Impossible for trademark reasons.

> -freedom
What logo do you see?

Personaly, I will concentrate on these ideas:
- carnival mask,
- russian puppets,
- gazelle.

Kindest regards,
Jean-Michel

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 01:04, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > -A PC in a PC
> Good idea. Why not Russian puppets?
> Or an open Russian puppet including a computer?

I think you mean Russian nesting dolls not puppets.
Babuskas maybe? Any Slavic folks know the correct term?

Anyway, yeah, that does convey recursion which is an inherent in
emulating a computer on a computer.

-- John.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[vaise]

On Monday 05 July 2004 10:27, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
> > Why not Russian puppets?
> > Or an open Russian puppet including a computer?
>
> I think you mean Russian nesting dolls not puppets.

> Anyway, yeah, that does convey recursion which is an inherent in
> emulating a computer on a computer.

Very good idea Jean-Michel !

(Tux's stomak makes me think the russian dools I had at home...)

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[malc]

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 01:04, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > > -A PC in a PC
> > Good idea. Why not Russian puppets?
> > Or an open Russian puppet including a computer?
>
> I think you mean Russian nesting dolls not puppets.
> Babuskas maybe? Any Slavic folks know the correct term?
>

Babus(h)ka = grand mother, you were thinking matrjoshka (matroska).
In any case: http://matroska.org/, seems like its taken.

-- 
mailto:malc@pulsesoft.com

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 13:56, malc wrote:

> Babus(h)ka = grand mother, you were thinking matrjoshka (matroska).
> In any case: http://matroska.org/, seems like its taken.

It is true that the domain is taken but the idea isn't to change the
project name but to create a logo. It doesn't look like this audio/video
project is using the matrjoshka doll as a logo.

[Qemu-devel] Re: Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 13:56, malc wrote:
> 
> 
>>Babus(h)ka = grand mother, you were thinking matrjoshka (matroska).
>>In any case: http://matroska.org/, seems like its taken.
> 
> 
> It is true that the domain is taken but the idea isn't to change the
> project name but to create a logo. It doesn't look like this audio/video
> project is using the matrjoshka doll as a logo.

My idea : start from the almost-ubiquitous icon for a computer (Main unit + 
monitor). Paint the lower half of it (as if hollow and cut horizontally), 
with a smaller copy of the same fabled icon "inside" (maybe with a faint 
horizontal line suggesting the idea of possible infinite recursion : after 
all, Fabrice, at one time, aimed to run qemu in a qemu virtual machine...), 
the "upper half (top of the monitor) being laid "aside".

That's the first time in 30 years I regret being so lousy with graphics and 
fine arts (the only drawings I can do right are medical dissection sketches 
(especially head and neck), and you wouldn't want *that*  for a logo... :-)).

					Emmanuel Charpentier

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Jean-Michel POURE]

> Masks and clowns give me the creeps. And the Carnival thing won't make
> sense to anyone in the U.S. Here, carnivals have more of a history of
> being freak shows and in modern times, just a traveling bunch of cheap
> imitations of big amusement park rides.

Personaly, it does not bother me to make a historical reference. The mask is 
not a reference to Disneyland but rather to Venizia canrival, where people 
change identities.

Also, the mask icon is quite different from other icons, in the hope that it 
"flashes the eye" on desktops:
http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_icon.png

Anyway, if there is a potential misunderstanding, I will forget about 
carnival. Does anyone share John understanding here?

> I like the Cheetah idea better, but I think there is Free Pascal
> compiler that uses the Cheetah mascot.
> Maybe a Gazelle, or a racecar or jackrabbit...

I like the idea of Gazelle, which is supposed to be fast and intelligent. When 
under attack, she is not running in the same direction, not like other 
animals... Also, she is quite light, same as QEMU design.

Thanks for your feedback. I will propose other logos in the next days, as I am 
quite busy with the FreeOsZoo site.

Kindest regards,
Jean-Michel

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 00:58, Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
> > Masks and clowns give me the creeps. And the Carnival thing won't make
> > sense to anyone in the U.S. Here, carnivals have more of a history of
> > being freak shows and in modern times, just a traveling bunch of cheap
> > imitations of big amusement park rides.
> 
> Personaly, it does not bother me to make a historical reference. The mask is 
> not a reference to Disneyland but rather to Venizia canrival, where people 
> change identities.
> 

No cheap shots about Disneyland please ;-) I'm no bigger a fan of Disney
than you, even though it's located in a neighboring city to me.

It doesn't bother me if you make a historical reference either. Though
*I* may understand something of the history of carnival, what I'm
telling you is that it won't play well in the States, if anyone cares
about that... what I'm describing to you is the American understanding
of carnival compared to the European one.

Masks giving me the creeps is just a personal thing I guess though I
know others feel the same way. Probably I'm in the minority there so
take it with a grain of salt. But the "laughing mask" is only ever seen
in the US in concert with the "frowing mask" and indicates something to
do with the theatre. Hard to connect that to QEMU.

> Also, the mask icon is quite different from other icons, in the hope that it 
> "flashes the eye" on desktops:
> http://www.freeoszoo.org/img/qemu_icon.png
> 

It is very high quality and distinctive, I'll grant you that.

> Anyway, if there is a potential misunderstanding, I will forget about 
> carnival. Does anyone share John understanding here?
> 
> > I like the Cheetah idea better, but I think there is Free Pascal
> > compiler that uses the Cheetah mascot.
> > Maybe a Gazelle, or a racecar or jackrabbit...
> 

> Thanks for your feedback. I will propose other logos in the next days, as I am 
> quite busy with the FreeOsZoo site.

Of course, I intended my response only as constructive criticism,
Jean-Michel. I think it's great to see work on a mascot/logo.

I'm surprised no response to the "emu" idea since it is an animal and
the emulator is Qemu. A Emu with racing goggles or something might do as
a mascot. Some people don't like "cartoonish" mascots for FOSS projects
but I think they really send out a positive message that FOSS is for
everyone, it's not some stuffy elitist thing that's out of anyone's
grasp. Tux is probably the best example of this.

I'll take "that's a stupid mascot" as a reasonable criticism from
anyone. Does anyone know of another free project using an Emu as mascot?

-- John.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask

[Jean-Michel POURE]

Le lundi 5 Juillet 2004 10:20, John R. Hogerhuis a écrit :
> Of course, I intended my response only as constructive criticism,
> Jean-Michel. I think it's great to see work on a mascot/logo.
Agreed.

> I'm surprised no response to the "emu" idea since it is an animal and
> the emulator is Qemu. A Emu with racing goggles or something might do as
> a mascot. Some people don't like "cartoonish" mascots for FOSS projects
> but I think they really send out a positive message that FOSS is for
> everyone, it's not some stuffy elitist thing that's out of anyone's
> grasp. Tux is probably the best example of this.

OK, but designing a mascot demands real skills. I am a programmer, I can only 
use Gimp, Inkscape and other tools to design animals (probably after 
digitalizing images, I can't draw). We need an artist!

Kind regards,
Jean-Michel

Emu as logo (was Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask)

[Martin]

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Re: Emu as logo (was Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask)

[John R. Hogerhuis]

OK, so I relinquish credit to Martin for thinking up Q-Emu first :-)
Hey, maybe we could call the mascot Q. I'm so uncreative sometimes it
hurts ;-)

I agree that it would still be OK to use an emu... particularly if the
logo were stylized in a way that evokes QEMU over something for CPC (is
that an Amstrad? Sounds familiar) 

Some unique aspects of QEMU are:

1. Fast
2. Free (this CPC emulator is "freeware" not Free Software or Public
Domain even)
3. Portable/retargetable
4. Runs with no install/root privileges

I'm not sure how those translate into a logo. I suggest some racing
goggles for the emu. Maybe a number like you get when you run a race.
Also, you could show the bird in stride running.

Fast seems like a concept that can be readily captured in a logo. I
don't know how you can indicate the other aspects but there are
certainly more creative folks than myself around.

Sounds like you're an artist... certainly don't give up because there
are other logos floating around. I don't think anything has been decided
yet. 

-- John.

Re: Emu as logo (was Re: [Qemu-devel] Icon proposal: a carnival mask)

[Antony T Curtis]

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 21:17, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
> OK, so I relinquish credit to Martin for thinking up Q-Emu first :-)
> Hey, maybe we could call the mascot Q. I'm so uncreative sometimes it
> hurts ;-)
> 
> I agree that it would still be OK to use an emu... particularly if the
> logo were stylized in a way that evokes QEMU over something for CPC (is
> that an Amstrad? Sounds familiar) 
> 
> Some unique aspects of QEMU are:
> 
> 1. Fast
> 2. Free (this CPC emulator is "freeware" not Free Software or Public
> Domain even)
> 3. Portable/retargetable
> 4. Runs with no install/root privileges

Strangely enough, the thought of an Emu with a circular lifesaver
floatation device around it's neck came to mind, partly because that and
the Emu would kind of look like a stylised "Q"...

Have it cartoon-styled... smiling Emu... with a red and white device
around it's neck.

-- 
Antony T Curtis <antony.t.curtis@ntlworld.com>

[Qemu-devel] Re: Emu as logo looking like a Q

[Martin]

http://www.olifantasia.com/qemu/logos/
A quick shot at trying to let an Emu look like a Q

greetings,
Martin

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Emu as logo looking like a Q

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Interesting.

You might have more luck reaching one leg out forwards towards out of
the circle (as the "leg" of the Q) and having the other pulled up off
the ground inside the O. Then the Emu would be running (the "fast"
aspect)

And maybe if the circle was more of a disc in back of the Emu... rather
than trying to make the body part of a circle.

On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 17:46, Martin wrote:
> http://www.olifantasia.com/qemu/logos/
> A quick shot at trying to let an Emu look like a Q
> 
> greetings,
> Martin
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Emu as logo looking like a Q

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Some inspirational google images searches:

Cute:
http://taltos.pha.jhu.edu/~tamas/files/images/emu.jpg

The neck while grazing might make the leg of a Q:
http://cvs.anu.edu.au/johannes/emu.gif

Or the outstretched leg:

http://www.safecapture.com/New/images/acfrs-bottom/emu.jpg