[Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Ronnie Misra]

Maybe you guys have already seen this, but:

<http://www.iemulator.com/>

 From their FAQ:

> Is iEmulator based on the BOCHS emulator?
>    No! BOCHS is a fantastic, flexible effort, but we found it to be 
> too slow to be "day-to-day usable" on the majority of hardware we 
> tested with. In all of the tests we've tried, our solution, based on 
> the powerful qemu codebase, runs significantly quicker!

Ronnie

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 12:20, Ronnie Misra wrote:
> Maybe you guys have already seen this, but:
> 
> <http://www.iemulator.com/>
> 
>  From their FAQ:
> 
> > Is iEmulator based on the BOCHS emulator?
> >    No! BOCHS is a fantastic, flexible effort, but we found it to be 
> > too slow to be "day-to-day usable" on the majority of hardware we 
> > tested with. In all of the tests we've tried, our solution, based on 
> > the powerful qemu codebase, runs significantly quicker!
> 
> Ronnie
> 

Another question is if they've advanced the sourcebase at all.

Given that they are selling it for about $24, it would only cost that
much for someone to become a customer and then ask for source to all
GPLed portions of the codebase. But my guess is this is simply a front
end to QEMU.

Nice I guess that they mentioned QEMU somewhere on their site (the
FAQ)...

-- John.

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Elefterios Stamatogiannakis]

  From whois:
---------------
Registrant:
  I2N Internet Services, Inc.
  412 West 53 Street
  New York, NY 10045
  US
  212-554-1219


Domain Name: IEMULATOR.COM

Administrative Contact:
  Internet Services, Inc., I2N info@applebuzz.com
  412 West 53 Street
  New York, NY 10045
  US
  212-554-1219


Technical Contact:
  Internet Services, Inc., I2N info@applebuzz.com
  412 West 53 Street
  New York, NY 10045
  US
  212-554-1219


Record expires on 10-17-2005
Record created on 10-17-2004
----------------------

  But info@applebuzz.com does not exist.

  Somebody should explain to them what the GPL means, but without 
contact information this cannot happen.

  teris.

Ronnie Misra wrote:
> Maybe you guys have already seen this, but:
> 
> <http://www.iemulator.com/>
> 
>  From their FAQ:
> 
>> Is iEmulator based on the BOCHS emulator?
>>    No! BOCHS is a fantastic, flexible effort, but we found it to be 
>> too slow to be "day-to-day usable" on the majority of hardware we 
>> tested with. In all of the tests we've tried, our solution, based on 
>> the powerful qemu codebase, runs significantly quicker!
> 
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:59, Elefterios Stamatogiannakis wrote:

>   But info@applebuzz.com does not exist.
> 
>   Somebody should explain to them what the GPL means, but without 
> contact information this cannot happen.

Have they violated the GPL yet?

For that to happen, someone has to have the binary distributed to them
(for example, you could buy a copy). That's when the GPL kicks in, since
you can ask for a copy of the GPLed portions of the sourcebase, and they
have to give it to you.

That said, if they don't give it up, you wouldn't have any standing to
take them to court since you don't own the copyright. The author would
have to initiate legal action.

But at this point it's not clear to me anything is legally wrong yet.
Morally/ethically however, I'd like to see them be more up front about
the fact that they are selling a packaged QEMU+frontend, rather than
just a brief mention in the FAQ.

-- John.

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

Hi,

Although the details are different, I think these are the same
cheaters who wanted to sell PearPC emulator (check out some cached
pages of http://cherryos.com)..

Thanks,
Hetz

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:54:15 -0800, John R. Hogerhuis <jhoger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 13:59, Elefterios Stamatogiannakis wrote:
> 
> >   But info@applebuzz.com does not exist.
> >
> >   Somebody should explain to them what the GPL means, but without
> > contact information this cannot happen.
> 
> Have they violated the GPL yet?
> 
> For that to happen, someone has to have the binary distributed to them
> (for example, you could buy a copy). That's when the GPL kicks in, since
> you can ask for a copy of the GPLed portions of the sourcebase, and they
> have to give it to you.
> 
> That said, if they don't give it up, you wouldn't have any standing to
> take them to court since you don't own the copyright. The author would
> have to initiate legal action.
> 
> But at this point it's not clear to me anything is legally wrong yet.
> Morally/ethically however, I'd like to see them be more up front about
> the fact that they are selling a packaged QEMU+frontend, rather than
> just a brief mention in the FAQ.
> 
> -- John.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Lionel Ulmer]

>   Somebody should explain to them what the GPL means, but without 
> contact information this cannot happen.

Well, how can you say that they somehow infringe upon any GPL'ed code (not
that QEMU/system contains any as it's either BSD or LGPL) ?

I think the only way to know it would be to actually buy one license and
then ask for the source.

        Lionel

-- 
		 Lionel Ulmer - http://www.bbrox.org/

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Elefterios Stamatogiannakis]

Lionel Ulmer wrote:
>>  Somebody should explain to them what the GPL means, but without 
>>contact information this cannot happen.
> 
> 
> Well, how can you say that they somehow infringe upon any GPL'ed code (not
> that QEMU/system contains any as it's either BSD or LGPL) ?
> 
> I think the only way to know it would be to actually buy one license and
> then ask for the source.
> 
>         Lionel
> 

  It was my first reaction because their site is basically a screenshot, 
a faq and a "buy now" button and most important of all no contact info. 
It didn't look right to me. I admit i was trigger happy (and i knew 
about the 4th clause of LGPL (infringement happens only at the delivery 
without source point)).

  Nevertheless i found out their contact point (at the bottom of the buy 
now page). It is:

mailto:info@iemulator.com

  teris.

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Mike Swanson]

The GPL allows you to sell free software... it's a violation if the
original copyrights are removed, no source is given, and/or the
license was changed.

The only way to tell if it is a violation is to buy it, it seems.

Re: [Qemu-devel] iemulator

[Hetz Ben Hamo]

You, but you have to admit that if there's no single email address or
forum, then something stinks around there (and there isn't. I
checked)..

Thanks,
Hetz

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:50:33 -0800, Mike Swanson
<mikeonthecomputer@gmail.com> wrote:
> The GPL allows you to sell free software... it's a violation if the
> original copyrights are removed, no source is given, and/or the
> license was changed.
> 
> The only way to tell if it is a violation is to buy it, it seems.
> 
> 
> 
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