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From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:57:19 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1234378639.28751.85.camel@slate.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18834.64870.951989.714873@mariner.uk.xensource.com>

On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 16:31 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Markus Armbruster writes ("[Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data"):
> > [stuff]
> 
> Yes, this is a good approach.  I have one question though:
> 
> >    Define an internal machine configuration data structure.  Needs to be
> >    sufficiently generic to be able to support even oddball machine
> >    types.  Make it a decorated tree, i.e. a tree of named nodes with
> >    named properties.
> 
> Many real systems are not strictly tree-structured, because there are
> hardware devices which connect via several different paths.  For
> example, much hardware supported by OpenWRT comes with a built-in
> bridge chip connected internally to a hidden ethernet card; a tape
> library would have one interface for the robot and a bunch of SCSI
> tapereaders; etc.

I'm not sure these are great examples, since there still a clear
hierarchy here (e.g. the ethernet card is "behind" the bridge chip).
Also, there is already established practice for representing SoC devices
(found in many embedded PowerPC processors): see arch/powerpc/boot/dts.

However, what *is* a good example would be the interrupt hierarchy,
which can be totally separate from the address/data hierarchy.

The device tree is about *devices*, not interfaces. Each node (device)
can mark itself as implementing multiple interfaces, which is what the
"compatible" property is about.

> When an emulation of such a device starts up, it will want to bind to
> several parents.  How will you represent this ?

There is established design for representing the interrupt hierarchy in
IEEE1275, using explicit "interrupt-parent" properties to create the
interrupt tree.

-- 
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-11 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-11 15:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Markus Armbruster
2009-02-11 16:31 ` Ian Jackson
2009-02-11 17:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-11 18:57   ` Hollis Blanchard [this message]
2009-02-12  3:50     ` David Gibson
2009-02-11 18:50 ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-11 19:34   ` Blue Swirl
2009-02-12  4:01   ` David Gibson
2009-02-12 10:26     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:49       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:46         ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 18:29           ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 23:58             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13 11:19               ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-13  1:05             ` David Gibson
2009-02-12 23:35           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 23:58             ` Paul Brook
2009-02-13  0:32               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13  0:47                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13  1:46                 ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 14:32                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-02-13  0:05             ` M. Warner Losh
2009-02-12 17:52       ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-02-12 18:53         ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 19:33           ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-13  0:59             ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  1:00         ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  0:43       ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  2:11         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13  2:17           ` David Gibson
2009-02-13  2:45             ` DTS syntax and DTC patches (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data) Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13  2:51               ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 20:04           ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Machine description as data Jon Loeliger
2009-02-13 20:15             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-13 20:19               ` Jon Loeliger
2009-02-12 10:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-12 12:36     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-02-12 16:07     ` Paul Brook
2009-02-12 17:17       ` Blue Swirl
2009-02-12 18:09       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2009-02-13  0:37     ` David Gibson
2009-02-13 11:26       ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-13 12:06         ` Paul Brook
2009-02-13 12:48           ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-13 13:33             ` Paul Brook
2009-02-13 14:13               ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-13 14:25                 ` Paul Brook
2009-02-13 15:47                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-02-13 18:36                 ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-13 19:49                   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-13 19:51                     ` Mitch Bradley
2009-02-16  3:42         ` David Gibson
2009-02-16 16:39           ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17  3:29             ` David Gibson
2009-02-17  7:54               ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:44               ` Paul Brook
2009-02-18  8:36                 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-11 19:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-11 19:36   ` Blue Swirl
2009-02-11 19:56     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-12 10:25       ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-16 16:22 ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 2 (was: [RFC] Machine description as data) Markus Armbruster
2009-02-17 17:32   ` Paul Brook
2009-02-18  8:42     ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 2 Markus Armbruster
2009-02-19 10:29 ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 3 (was: [RFC] Machine description as data) Markus Armbruster
2009-02-19 13:53   ` Paul Brook
2009-02-19 14:55     ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 3 Markus Armbruster
2009-02-19 15:03       ` Paul Brook
2009-02-19 14:36   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-19 15:00     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-19 14:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-23 17:38     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-23 18:58       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-02-24  9:08         ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-19 16:40   ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 3 (was: [RFC] Machine description as data) Blue Swirl
2009-02-19 18:30     ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 3 Markus Armbruster
2009-02-20 18:14       ` Blue Swirl
2009-02-20 18:20         ` Paul Brook
2009-02-23 12:00           ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-23 12:18         ` Markus Armbruster
2009-02-23 18:00 ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 4 (was: [RFC] Machine description as data) Markus Armbruster
2009-02-24 20:06   ` Blue Swirl
2009-02-25 12:13     ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 4 Markus Armbruster
2009-02-25 20:11       ` Blue Swirl
2009-03-03 17:46 ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 5 (was: [RFC] Machine description as data) Markus Armbruster
2009-03-12 18:43 ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 6 " Markus Armbruster
2009-03-17 16:06   ` [Qemu-devel] Machine description as data prototype, take 6 Paul Brook
2009-03-17 17:32     ` Markus Armbruster
2009-03-23 15:50 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC] Machine description as data Markus Armbruster
2009-03-23 15:53   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-03-31  9:16 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-04-17 16:04 ` Markus Armbruster

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