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From: Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	Jens Osterkamp <jens@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:10:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1255554600.20366.9.camel@w-sridhar.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091014155018.GB30179@redhat.com>

On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 17:50 +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 04:19:17PM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> > Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:17:15AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > > > Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > >> Looks like Or has abandoned it.  I have an updated version which works
> > > >> with new APIs, etc.  Let me post it and we'll go from there.
> > > >>
> > > >>   
> > > >>> I'm generally inclined to oppose the functionality as I don't think 
> > > >>> it  offers any advantages over the existing backends.
> > > >>>     
> > > >>
> > > >> I patch it in and use it all the time.  It's much easier to setup
> > > >> on a random machine than a bridged config.
> > > >>   
> > > >
> > > > Having two things that do the same thing is just going to lead to user  
> > > > confusion.
> > > 
> > > They do not do the same thing. With raw socket you can use windows
> > > update without a bridge in the host, with tap you can't.
> > 
> > On the other hand, with raw socket, guest Windows can't access files
> > on the host's Samba share can it?  So it's not that useful even for
> > Windows guests.
> 
> I guess this depends on whether you use the same host for samba :)
> 
> > > > If the problem is tap is too hard to setup, we should try to  
> > > > simplify tap configuration.
> > > 
> > > The problem is bridge is too hard to setup.
> > > Simplifying that is a good idea, but outside the scope
> > > of the qemu project.
> > 
> > I venture it's important enough for qemu that it's worth working on
> > that.  Something that looks like the raw socket but behaves like an
> > automatically instantiated bridge attached to the bound interface
> > would be a useful interface.
> 
> I agree, that would be good to have.

Can't we bind the raw socket to the tap interface instead of the
physical interface and allow the bridge config to work.

Thanks
Sridhar


> 
> > I don't have much time, but I'll help anybody who wants to do that.
> > 
> > -- Jamie
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  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-14 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-29 23:54 [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0 Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  0:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dustin Kirkland
2009-09-30  2:18   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30  2:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Isaku Yamahata
2009-09-30 13:03   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:43     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-30  5:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-09-30 13:04   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 13:37     ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30 14:47       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 14:50         ` Amit Shah
2009-09-30  6:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:05   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:13     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-03 10:04       ` Avi Kivity
2009-10-05 12:43         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-05 13:52           ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30 13:31   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30  8:53 ` Michael Tokarev
2009-09-30  9:01   ` Avi Kivity
2009-09-30  9:31 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 13:07   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:59     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-09-30 19:25       ` Blue Swirl
2009-09-30 13:30 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 14:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-09-30 15:03     ` Fred Leeflang
2009-09-30 15:26       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-09-30 19:28     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-01  1:55 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01  8:07   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 21:02     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02  4:38     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02  5:37       ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 22:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-01 12:45   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 21:10     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-01 21:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02  0:41         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 13:29           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 16:58             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 18:45               ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 18:53                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 21:39                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02 22:28                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 23:05                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03  0:32                         ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 17:30                           ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 21:49                             ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 21:58                               ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-04 19:31                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04 19:39                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-05 13:03                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 13:23                                       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-05 13:51                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-05 14:43                                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 19:49                                   ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-05 13:07                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-03 22:02                               ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 22:40                                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 23:03                                   ` Stefan Reinauer
2009-10-03 23:52                                     ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 15:08                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 17:32                       ` [coreboot] " Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 17:40                         ` ron minnich
2009-10-03 18:16                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 18:30                             ` Peter Stuge
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-10-03 19:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-10-03 22:13                           ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-03 22:19                             ` Patrick Georgi
2009-10-03 23:04                               ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-04 19:35                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-04  4:10                               ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-04 11:16                                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-04 16:06                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05  0:29                                     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-03 22:46                             ` Stefan Reinauer
     [not found]                             ` <CB4CCBB6-0EE4-4883-AA4D-2151189C7977@claunia.com>
     [not found]                               ` <2a50f7880910031701s52c901d8u2dfb956f595eeedf@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-04  3:55                                 ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-05 14:08                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-10-02 20:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2009-10-02 21:37                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-02 22:19                   ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-02  4:55       ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 20:50   ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02  4:51     ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-02 19:07       ` Stuart Brady
2009-10-02 20:21         ` Natalia Portillo
2009-10-01 18:45 ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-01 19:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-01 19:18     ` Stefan Weil
2009-10-03  4:28 ` TAKEDA, toshiya
2009-10-08 13:55 ` Jens Osterkamp
2009-10-08 14:21   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 13:09     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-10-14 13:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:01         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:04       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 13:21     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 14:17       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-14 14:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 15:19           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-14 15:50             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-14 21:10               ` Sridhar Samudrala [this message]
2009-10-14 22:53                 ` Raw vs. tap (was: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0) Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15  6:36                   ` Mark McLoughlin
2009-10-15  7:56                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 13:32                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Raw vs. tap Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:04                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 15:18                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 15:48                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15 18:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:08                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-18 10:05                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-15  7:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: Release plan for 0.12.0 Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-10-20  6:33 ` Takahiro Hirofuchi

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