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From: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: kraxel@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/9] QError: Add qdev not found error
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:44:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1255646688.3954.45.camel@slab.beaverton.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AD793C6.9060508@us.ibm.com>

On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 16:27 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> hollisb@linux.vnet.ibm.com wrote:
> > It's hard enough to keep localized strings updated for every release
> > within a single code tree. Beyond that, you expect that every *client*
> > will update its localized strings for every *server* release?
> 
> What I meant by highly structured is that you wouldn't pass a string at 
> all.  There would just be an error code and whatever information went 
> along with that error code.  It would be up to the client to decide how 
> to present a message to the user.
> 
>  From a usability perspective, this is better both for localization but 
> also to ensure a consistent user experience with respect to how errors 
> are described to a user.
> 
> Basically, I think the conventional wisdom in UI design is that you 
> never want to pass error messages from a  server directly to a user.

I think it's also conventional wisdom not to show the user vague "some
error occurred" messages. :)

How about this (basically what Paolo suggested):

{ "error": { "code": 12,
             "desc": "device %{bus}:%{address} already open",
             "data": { "bus": 0, "address": 12 } } }

'desc' *may* be used by the client, or may be replaced with a localized
version. This ensures that users need never be confronted with an
"Error: 12" dialog box; a client can at least display some (English)
information for unknown errors.

I am now seeing how Luiz got to where he did with the original patch:
once you have unique error codes, why embed the format string at the
call site? (I think this would have been a better patch description in
the first place, rather than unspecified "compatibility".)

However, I think the part that's still bothering me is the user_print
function pointer. It seems to me that there should be no difference
between the text sent to a remote client and the text displayed to a
local user, and if that were true it would remove some ugliness.

-- 
Hollis Blanchard
IBM Linux Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-15 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-13 16:56 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 0/9] QError Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 16:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/9] QDict: Introduce qdict_iter() Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 16:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/9] check-qdict: Add test for qdict_iter() Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/9] qmisc: Introduce qobject_from_va() Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 21:52   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-14 13:40     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-14 14:27       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/9] Introduce QError Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/9] monitor: QError support Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 21:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-14 13:14     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-14 14:07       ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/9] QError: Add qdev not found error Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-14 23:02   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-15 13:34     ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-15 17:16       ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-15 17:52         ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-15 18:13           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-15 19:08             ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-15 20:13               ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-15 20:57                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 21:18                   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-15 21:27                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 22:44                       ` Hollis Blanchard [this message]
2009-10-16  8:06                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-16 13:05                           ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-19 10:25                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-19 12:28                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-19 12:42                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-16 13:39                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-18  4:25                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-10-18 12:17                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-19 16:50                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-10-19 21:16                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-16  7:30               ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-16 12:39                 ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-16 13:34                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-16 13:37                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-16 14:17                   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-16 17:28                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-16 17:47                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-16  8:02               ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-18  4:28                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-18  4:34                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/9] qdev: Use QError for " Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 22:34   ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-14 13:29     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-14 16:42       ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-14 14:51     ` [Qemu-devel] " Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-19 10:12     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-19 10:40       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-10-19 10:47         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-19 11:22         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-10-19 14:00       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-10-19 15:21         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-19 15:27           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-10-19 15:39             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 8/9] QError: Add do_info_balloon() errors Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-13 16:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 9/9] monitor: do_info_balloon(): use QError Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-15 19:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v0 0/9] QError Anthony Liguori
2009-10-15 19:37   ` Luiz Capitulino
2009-10-19 13:13 ` Markus Armbruster
2009-10-19 14:11   ` Anthony Liguori

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