From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
liu ping fan <qemulist@gmail.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 3/5] timer: make qemu_clock_enable sync between disable and timer's cb
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1277844563.8104892.1375359574399.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <753B6C66578E71C12F9DFD2A@Ximines.local>
> > True, qemu_event basically works only when a single thread resets it. But
> > there is no race condition here because qemu_run_timers cannot be executed
> > concurrently by multiple threads (like aio_poll in your bottom half
> > patches).
>
> ... or, if rebasing on top of my patches, qemu_run_timers *can* be
> executed concurrently by mulitple threads, but in respect of any given
> QEMUTimerList, it will only be executed by one thread.
... so the event would be placed in QEMUTimerList, not QEMUClock.
qemu_clock_enable then will have to visit all timer lists. That's
not hard to do, but as locks proliferate we need to have a clear
policy (e.g. BQL -> clock -> timerlist).
So actually there is another problem with this patch (both the
condvar and the event approach are equally buggy). If a timer
on clock X disables clock X, qemu_clock_enable will deadlock.
I suppose it's easier to ask each user of qemu_clock_enable to
provide its own synchronization, and drop this patch. The simplest
kind of synchronization is to delay some work to a bottom half in
the clock's AioContext. If you do that, you know that the timers
are not running.
Ping Fan, this teaches once more the same lesson: let's not invent
complex concurrency mechanisms unless really necessary. So far
they almost never survived (there are some exceptions, but we have
always taken them from somewhere else: QemuEvent is an abstraction
of liburcu code to make it portable, RCU and seqlock are from Linux,
and I cannot think of anything else).
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-01 12:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-29 3:16 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/5] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 1/5] timer: protect timers_state with lock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 6:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29 8:01 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 2/5] timer: pick out timer list info from QemuClock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 3/5] timer: make qemu_clock_enable sync between disable and timer's cb Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 6:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29 8:10 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 11:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30 2:42 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-30 9:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30 9:51 ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-30 10:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01 5:54 ` liu ping fan
2013-08-01 8:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01 9:35 ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 12:19 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-01 13:28 ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 13:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01 14:20 ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 14:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02 3:31 ` liu ping fan
2013-08-02 10:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02 3:33 ` liu ping fan
2013-08-02 14:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-05 2:13 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 4/5] timer: associate three timerlists with AioContext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 6:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29 8:20 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 13:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30 2:35 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 5/5] timer: run timers on aio_poll Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29 9:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/5] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29 10:23 ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-29 13:36 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29 13:56 ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-30 3:35 ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 10:18 ` Alex Bligh
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