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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	liu ping fan <qemulist@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 3/5] timer: make qemu_clock_enable sync between disable and timer's cb
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1277844563.8104892.1375359574399.JavaMail.root@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <753B6C66578E71C12F9DFD2A@Ximines.local>

> > True, qemu_event basically works only when a single thread resets it.  But
> > there is no race condition here because qemu_run_timers cannot be executed
> > concurrently by multiple threads (like aio_poll in your bottom half
> > patches).
> 
> ... or, if rebasing on top of my patches, qemu_run_timers *can* be
> executed concurrently by mulitple threads, but in respect of any given
> QEMUTimerList, it will only be executed by one thread.

... so the event would be placed in QEMUTimerList, not QEMUClock.

qemu_clock_enable then will have to visit all timer lists.  That's
not hard to do, but as locks proliferate we need to have a clear
policy (e.g. BQL -> clock -> timerlist).

So actually there is another problem with this patch (both the
condvar and the event approach are equally buggy).  If a timer
on clock X disables clock X, qemu_clock_enable will deadlock.

I suppose it's easier to ask each user of qemu_clock_enable to
provide its own synchronization, and drop this patch.  The simplest
kind of synchronization is to delay some work to a bottom half in
the clock's AioContext.  If you do that, you know that the timers
are not running.

Ping Fan, this teaches once more the same lesson: let's not invent
complex concurrency mechanisms unless really necessary.  So far
they almost never survived (there are some exceptions, but we have
always taken them from somewhere else: QemuEvent is an abstraction
of liburcu code to make it portable, RCU and seqlock are from Linux,
and I cannot think of anything else).

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-01 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-29  3:16 [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/5] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 1/5] timer: protect timers_state with lock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  6:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29  8:01     ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29  3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 2/5] timer: pick out timer list info from QemuClock Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 3/5] timer: make qemu_clock_enable sync between disable and timer's cb Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  6:30   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29  8:10     ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 11:21       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30  2:42         ` liu ping fan
2013-07-30  9:17           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30  9:51             ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-30 10:12               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01  5:54             ` liu ping fan
2013-08-01  8:57               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01  9:35                 ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 12:19                   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-01 13:28                     ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 13:51                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01 14:20                         ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-01 14:28                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02  3:31                             ` liu ping fan
2013-08-02 10:01                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02  3:33                       ` liu ping fan
2013-08-02 14:43                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-08-05  2:13                           ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29  3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 4/5] timer: associate three timerlists with AioContext Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  6:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-29  8:20     ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 13:11       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-30  2:35         ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29  3:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 5/5] timer: run timers on aio_poll Liu Ping Fan
2013-07-29  9:22 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC v2 0/5] arm AioContext with its own timer stuff Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29 10:23   ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-29 13:36     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29 13:56       ` Alex Bligh
2013-07-30  3:35   ` liu ping fan
2013-07-29 10:18 ` Alex Bligh

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