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From: Michael Ellerman <michael@ellerman.id.au>
To: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Next gen kvm api
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:58:54 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1328597934.6802.6.camel@concordia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F302E0D.20302@freescale.com>

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On Mon, 2012-02-06 at 13:46 -0600, Scott Wood wrote:
> On 02/03/2012 04:52 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > On 02/03/2012 12:07 PM, Eric Northup wrote:
> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Avi Kivity<avi@redhat.com>  wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>>
> >>> Moving to syscalls avoids these problems, but introduces new ones:
> >>>
> >>> - adding new syscalls is generally frowned upon, and kvm will need
> >>> several
> >>> - syscalls into modules are harder and rarer than into core kernel code
> >>> - will need to add a vcpu pointer to task_struct, and a kvm pointer to
> >>> mm_struct
> >> - Lost a good place to put access control (permissions on /dev/kvm)
> >> for which user-mode processes can use KVM.
> >>
> >> How would the ability to use sys_kvm_* be regulated?
> > 
> > Why should it be regulated?
> > 
> > It's not a finite or privileged resource.
> 
> You're exposing a large, complex kernel subsystem that does very
> low-level things with the hardware.  It's a potential source of exploits
> (from bugs in KVM or in hardware).  I can see people wanting to be
> selective with access because of that.

Exactly.

In a perfect world I'd agree with Anthony, but in reality I think
sysadmins are quite happy that they can prevent some users from using
KVM.

You could presumably achieve something similar with capabilities or
whatever, but a node in /dev is much simpler.

cheers

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-07  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-02 16:09 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Next gen kvm api Avi Kivity
2012-02-02 22:13 ` Rob Earhart
2012-02-02 22:16   ` Rob Earhart
2012-02-05 13:14   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 17:41     ` Rob Earhart
2012-02-06 19:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 12:03         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:17           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 16:02             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 16:18               ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-07 16:21                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 16:29                   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-15 13:41                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 16:19               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-15 13:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:01       ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-03  2:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-04  2:08   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-02-22 13:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-05  9:24   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07  1:08   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 12:24     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:51       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 13:16         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 13:40           ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-07 14:21             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 14:39               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 11:18                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 11:57                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 13:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 13:37                       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 13:57                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 14:08                           ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-16 19:24                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 19:34                               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-16 19:38                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 20:41                                   ` Scott Wood
2012-02-17  0:23                                     ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-17 18:27                                       ` Scott Wood
2012-02-18  9:49                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-17  0:19                                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-18 10:00                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-18 10:43                                       ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 19:17                     ` Scott Wood
2012-02-12  7:10               ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-02-15 13:32                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:23             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 15:28               ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-08 17:20               ` Alan Cox
2012-02-15 13:33               ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 22:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-02-10  3:07   ` Jamie Lokier
2012-02-03 18:07 ` Eric Northup
2012-02-03 22:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 19:46     ` Scott Wood
2012-02-07  6:58       ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2012-02-07 10:04         ` Alexander Graf
2012-02-15 22:21           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-02-16  1:04             ` Michael Ellerman
2012-02-16 19:28               ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-17  0:09                 ` Michael Ellerman
2012-02-18 10:03                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-16 10:26             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 12:40         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 12:51           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 13:18             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 15:15               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-07 18:28                 ` Chris Wright
2012-02-08 17:02         ` Scott Wood
2012-02-08 17:12           ` Alan Cox
2012-02-05  9:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05  9:44   ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05  9:51     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05  9:56       ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 10:58         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-05 13:16           ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-05 16:36       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06  9:34         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 13:33           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 13:54             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-06 14:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-06 14:08                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-07 18:12           ` Rusty Russell
2012-02-15 13:39             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 21:59               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-16  8:57                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-16 14:46                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-02-16 19:34                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-15 23:08               ` Rusty Russell

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