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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions
Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:26:06 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1337639166.2779.117.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FBABF2D.2020200@codemonkey.ws>

On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 17:18 -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> But this isn't what this series is about.
> 
> This series is only attempting to make sure that writes are ordered
> with respect 
> to other writes in main memory.

Actually, it applies to both reads and writes. They can't pass each
other either and that can be fairly important.

It's in fact the main contention point because if it was only writes we
could just use wmb and be done with it (that's a nop on x86).

Because we are trying to order everything (and specifically store
followed by a load), we need a full barrier which is more expensive on
x86.

Ben.

> It's based on the assumption that write ordering is well defined (and
> typically 
> strict) on most busses including PCI.  I have not confirmed this
> myself but I 
> trust that Ben has.
> 
> So the only problem trying to be solved here is to make sure that if a
> write A 
> is issued by the device model while it's on PCPU 0, if PCPU 1 does a
> write B to 
> another location, and then the device model runs on PCPU 2 and does a
> read of 
> both A and B, it will only see the new value of B if the it sees the
> new value of A.
> 
> Whether the driver on VCPU 0 (which may be on any PCPU) also sees the
> write 
> ordering is irrelevant.
> 
> If you want to avoid taking a barrier on every write, we can make use
> of map() 
> and issue explicit barriers (as virtio does).
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-21 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-10  4:48 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] IOMMU infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/13] Better support for dma_addr_t variables Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/13] Implement cpu_physical_memory_zero() Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:23     ` David Gibson
2012-05-15  2:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/13] iommu: Add universal DMA helper functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/13] usb-ohci: Use " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/13] iommu: Make sglists and dma_bdrv helpers use new universal DMA helpers Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13] ide/ahci: Use universal DMA helper functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  1:51   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/13 - UPDATED] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/13] usb: Convert usb_packet_{map, unmap} to universal DMA helpers Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/13] iommu: Introduce IOMMU emulation infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:49   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:42     ` David Gibson
2012-05-15  2:03       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  2:32         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  2:50           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  3:02             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 14:02               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15 21:55                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 22:02                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15 23:08                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15 23:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16  0:41                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16  0:54                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16  1:20                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16 19:36                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/13] iommu: Add facility to cancel in-use dma memory maps Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/13] pseries: Convert sPAPR TCEs to use generic IOMMU infrastructure Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/13] iommu: Allow PCI to use " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/13] pseries: Implement IOMMU and DMA for PAPR PCI devices Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-10  4:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] iommu: Add a memory barrier to DMA RW function Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  0:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-15  1:11     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-15  1:44     ` David Gibson
2012-05-16  4:35       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16  5:51         ` David Gibson
2012-05-16 19:39         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-16 21:10           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-16 21:12             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:07           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:24             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  0:52               ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC/PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  2:28                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-17  2:44                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17 22:09                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-18  1:04                       ` David Gibson
2012-05-18  1:16                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-17  3:35                   ` David Gibson
2012-05-18  6:53               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/13] iommu: Add a memory barrier to DMA RW function Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-18  8:18                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-18  8:57                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-18 22:26                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-19  7:24                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-20 21:36                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  1:56                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  8:11                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-21  8:31                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21  8:58                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:07                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:16                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21  9:34                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21  9:53                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 10:31                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 11:45                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 12:18                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 15:16                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-05-21 21:58                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access function Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-21 22:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 22:56                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  5:11                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22  0:00                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:19                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-05-21 22:18                                 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Anthony Liguori
2012-05-21 22:26                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2012-05-21 22:31                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-21 22:44                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-21 23:02                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:34                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to DMA functions Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  4:51                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22  7:17                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 11:14                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22 11:41                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 12:03                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-22 21:24                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-05-22 21:40                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-05-21 22:37                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add a memory barrier to guest memory access functions Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-05-15  0:52 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/13] IOMMU infrastructure Anthony Liguori

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