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Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:40:35 -0700
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Subject: Re: [coreboot] [Qemu-devel] Release plan for 0.12.0
From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
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To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>, Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>, Coreboot <coreboot@coreboot.org>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>, Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>

I use qemu for a lot of coreboot work. I really depend on qemu for
many things I do, not just coreboot related. The qemu target in
coreboot has been very heavily used by us to test out new ideas.

That said, I don't see a compelling need to augment seabios with
coreboot on qemu *in the standard distribution*. If seabios gets the
job done, and gets OSes booted, I think that's sufficient. I don't see
a need to complicate anyone's life with something that is, after all,
a sideshow for qemu users.

Conversely, I don't see the need to add the huge pile of stuff that
comes with UEFI/OVMF/whatever to qemu either. One might argue that
having any BIOS callbacks in the OS is a huge mistake, and certainly
I've learned in practice that this argument is true.

thanks

ron