From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
anton@samba.org, "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] virtio: allow byte swapping for vring and config access
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:49:05 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1376268545.32100.147.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8761vboiqu.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 09:58 +0930, Rusty Russell wrote:
> Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> writes:
> > This whole exercise should have nothing to do with the current endian
> > mode of the CPU. If for example you are running lx86 (the x86 emulator
> > IBM provides) which exploits MSR:LE on POWER7 to run x86 binaries in
> > userspace, you don't want virtio to suddenly change endian !
> >
> > The information we care about is the endianness of the operating system.
>
> Which is why my original patches nabbed the endianness when the target
> updated the virtio device status.
>
> You're making an assumption about the nature of the guest, that they
> don't pass the virtio device directly through to userspace.
Two points here:
- Userspace is VERY likely to have the same endianness as the operating
system.
- The case where we might support "foreign endian" userspace *and* pass
virtio directly to it *and* give a shit about virtio v1.0 doesn't exist
anywhere but your imagination right now :-)
> I don't care, though. The point is to make something which works, until
> the Real Fix (LE virtio).
Exactly.
> > The most logical way to infer it is a different bit, which used to be
> > MSR:ILE and is now in LPCR for guests and controlled via a hypercall on
> > pseries, which indicates what is the endianness of interrupt vectors.
> >
> > IE. It indicates how the cpu should set MSR:LE when taking an interrupt,
> > regardless of what the current MSR:LE value is at any given point in
> > time.
> >
> > So what should be done in fact is whenever *that* bit is changed
> > (currently via hcall, maybe via MSR:ILE if we emulate that on older
> > models or LPCR when we emulate that), then the qemu cpu model can "call
> > out" to change the "OS endianness" which we can propagate to virtio.
> >
> > Anything trying to do stuff based on the "current" endianness in the MSR
> > sounds like a cesspit to me.
>
> OK. What should Anton's gdb stub do then?
Something else. It's a different problem and needs a different solution.
For one, I think, we should first fix the root problem with gdb (tagging
endianness in the protocol etc...) and once that's done, look at what
band-aid can be applied for old stuff if we care at all (it's not like
LE ppc64 is going to not require a new gdb anyway).
Cheers,
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-12 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-08 5:15 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/7] Virtio support for endian-curious guests Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] virtio: allow byte swapping for vring and config access Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 13:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 14:28 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-08 15:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 15:45 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-08 16:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 16:14 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-08 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 16:30 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-09 2:58 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 4:39 ` Anton Blanchard
2013-08-09 8:05 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-09 14:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 15:48 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-08 16:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 16:24 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-09 7:35 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 7:42 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-12 7:49 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 7:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-12 0:28 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-12 0:49 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2013-08-09 15:15 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-09 0:08 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 7:00 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 14:24 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-09 6:40 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-09 14:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-11 23:46 ` Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] target-ppc: ppc64 targets can be either endian Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] hw/net/virtio-net: use virtio wrappers to access headers Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 13:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] hw/net/virtio-balloon: use virtio wrappers to access page frame numbers Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 13:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] hw/block/virtio-blk: use virtio wrappers to access headers Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 9:57 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-08 13:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] hw/scsi/virtio-scsi: " Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 13:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] hw/char/virtio-serial-bus: " Rusty Russell
2013-08-08 13:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-08 5:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] patch virtio-serial-biendian.patch Rusty Russell
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