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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Victor Kamensky <victor.kamensky@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Thomas Falcon <tlfalcon@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] KVM and variable-endianness guest CPUs
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:31:32 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1390865492.3872.30.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA3XUr2szY47gXZE06737GCUiS_n_8pwGm-ndaG8SJLm_rVm7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2014-01-22 at 11:29 -0800, Victor Kamensky wrote:
> I don't see why you so attached to desire to describe
> data part of memory transaction as just one of int
> types. If we are talking about bunch of hypothetical
> cases imagine such bus that allow transaction with
> size of 6 bytes. How do you describe such data in
> your ints speak? What endianity you can assign to
> sequence of 6 bytes? While note that description of
> such transaction as set of 6 byte values at address
> $whatever makes perfect sense.

Absolutely. For example, the "real" bus out of a POWER8 core is
something like 128 bytes wide though I wouldn't be surprised if it was
serialized, I don't actually know the details, it's all inside the chip.
The interconnect between chip is a multi-lane elastic interface whose
width has nothing to do with the payload size. Same goes with PCIe.

The only thing that can more/less sanely represent all of these things
is a series of bytes ordered by address, with attributes such as the
access size (or byte enables if that makes more sense or we want to
emulate really funky stuff) and possibly other decoration that some
architectures might want to have (such as caching/combining attributes
etc... which *might* be useful under some circumstances).

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-27 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-17 17:53 [Qemu-devel] KVM and variable-endianness guest CPUs Peter Maydell
2014-01-17 18:52 ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-18  4:24   ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-18  7:32     ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-18 10:15       ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-20 14:20         ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 14:31           ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-20 14:22   ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-20 19:19     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-22  5:39       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22  6:31         ` Anup Patel
2014-01-22  6:41           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Alexander Graf
2014-01-22  7:26             ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 10:52               ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-23  4:25                 ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 10:32                   ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-23 10:56                   ` Greg Kurz
2014-01-22  8:57             ` Anup Patel
2014-01-23 23:28               ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-22 10:22         ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 17:19           ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 17:29             ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 19:29               ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 20:02                 ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-22 22:47                   ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-22 23:18                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-23  0:22                       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 10:23                         ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 15:06                           ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 15:33                             ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-23 16:25                               ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-23 20:45                                 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-24  0:50                                   ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-24  2:14                                     ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-24  4:11                                       ` Victor Kamensky
2014-01-28  0:32                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:40                                           ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  0:15                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-24  0:09                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Victor Kamensky
2014-01-28  0:07                               ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:07                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:34                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-27 23:49                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-01-28  0:36                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  0:44                         ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-28  4:47                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28 16:31                             ` Christoffer Dall
2014-01-27 23:31                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2014-01-27 23:27               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-01-28  9:16                 ` Avi Kivity
2014-01-28  9:04           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity

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