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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] selecting VIRTIO_INPUT and VIRTIO_VGA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:49:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1437817799.15305.22.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150721135122.374f21a9@arm.com>

  Hi,

> > I agree. Also, as far as I understood Marc, his hope was that the fix to 
> > halfway working VGA emulation would be virtio-gpu.

Note we have both virtio-vga and virtio-gpu-pci.  virtio-vga has vga
compatibility built-in, otherwise the two are identical.  virtio-gpu-pci
is enabled along with all other virtio drivers, so arm + aarch64 have
that already.

> 2) Use the fact that there is actually hardly any legacy for ARM VMs,
> and embrace paravirtualized devices entirely. We do it for disks,
> network interfaces. Why not display? Why not input?

We have both now (qemu 2.4+, linux 4.1+ for input, linux 4.2+ for gpu).
Works just fine on arm (tcg tested).  aarch64 not yet (with vanilla
upstream linux kernel) due to lack of generic pci host support.

> Using VGA makes sense on x86 because this is a standard on that
> platform. Every system has one. You can't expect the same thing on ARM
> (evil persons would even say that you can't expect anything at all). So
> let's take this opportunity to use the best tool for the job. Virtio
> fits that bill pretty well apparently.

Big question is (a) whenever we need a firmware framebuffer and (b) how
to implement that best.

virtio-vga/virtio-gpu-pci in paravirt (native) mode requires the guest
explicitly request screen updates.  There is no dirty page tracking, and
guest writes to memory do *not* magically appear on the screen.  I don't
think implementing a EFI driver for that is going to fly.

virtio-vga in vga-compat mode uses a framebuffer with the usual dirty
tracking logic in pci bar 0 (simliar to stdvga).  Which is exactly the
thing causing the cache coherency issues on aarch64 if I understand
things correctly.  Programming (modesetting) works without legacy vga io
ports, you can use the mmio regs in pci bar 1 instead (applies to both
virtio-vga and stdvga btw), and QemuVideoDxe actually uses the mmio bar.

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-25  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-11 17:55 [Qemu-devel] selecting VIRTIO_INPUT and VIRTIO_VGA Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-13  7:32 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-07-13 10:15   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-13 11:45     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2015-07-13 11:49       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-20 18:52         ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-07-20 19:06     ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-07-21 12:08       ` Alexander Graf
2015-07-21 12:48         ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-07-21 12:51         ` Marc Zyngier
2015-07-25  9:49           ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2015-07-26  9:31             ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-07-26 10:17               ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-26 10:40                 ` Peter Maydell
2015-07-26 11:22                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-07-27  7:52             ` Marc Zyngier

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