From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: fred.konrad@greensocs.com
Cc: mttcg@greensocs.com, mark.burton@greensocs.com,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, a.rigo@virtualopensystems.com,
guillaume.delbergue@greensocs.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
alex.bennee@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 00/19] Multithread TCG.
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 16:15:09 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1439273709.14448.102.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1439220437-23957-1-git-send-email-fred.konrad@greensocs.com>
On Mon, 2015-08-10 at 17:26 +0200, fred.konrad@greensocs.com wrote:
> From: KONRAD Frederic <fred.konrad@greensocs.com>
>
> This is the 7th round of the MTTCG patch series.
>
>
> It can be cloned from:
> git@git.greensocs.com:fkonrad/mttcg.git branch multi_tcg_v7.
>
> This patch-set try to address the different issues in the global picture of
> MTTCG, presented on the wiki.
>
> == Needed patch for our work ==
>
> Some preliminaries are needed for our work:
> * current_cpu doesn't make sense in mttcg so a tcg_executing flag is added to
> the CPUState.
Can't you just make it a TLS ?
> * We need to run some work safely when all VCPUs are outside their execution
> loop. This is done with the async_run_safe_work_on_cpu function introduced
> in this series.
> * QemuSpin lock is introduced (on posix only yet) to allow a faster handling of
> atomic instruction.
How do you handle the memory model ? IE , ARM and PPC are OO while x86
is (mostly) in order, so emulating ARM/PPC on x86 is fine but emulating
x86 on ARM or PPC will lead to problems unless you generate memory
barriers with every load/store ..
At least on POWER7 and later on PPC we have the possibility of setting
the attribute "Strong Access Ordering" with mremap/mprotect (I dont'
remember which one) which gives us x86-like memory semantics...
I don't know if ARM supports something similar. On the other hand, when
emulating ARM on PPC or vice-versa, we can probably get away with no
barriers.
Do you expose some kind of guest memory model info to the TCG backend so
it can decide how to handle these things ?
> == Code generation and cache ==
>
> As Qemu stands, there is no protection at all against two threads attempting to
> generate code at the same time or modifying a TranslationBlock.
> The "protect TBContext with tb_lock" patch address the issue of code generation
> and makes all the tb_* function thread safe (except tb_flush).
> This raised the question of one or multiple caches. We choosed to use one
> unified cache because it's easier as a first step and since the structure of
> QEMU effectively has a ‘local’ cache per CPU in the form of the jump cache, we
> don't see the benefit of having two pools of tbs.
>
> == Dirty tracking ==
>
> Protecting the IOs:
> To allows all VCPUs threads to run at the same time we need to drop the
> global_mutex as soon as possible. The io access need to take the mutex. This is
> likely to change when http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/345258
> will be upstreamed.
>
> Invalidation of TranslationBlocks:
> We can have all VCPUs running during an invalidation. Each VCPU is able to clean
> it's jump cache itself as it is in CPUState so that can be handled by a simple
> call to async_run_on_cpu. However tb_invalidate also writes to the
> TranslationBlock which is shared as we have only one pool.
> Hence this part of invalidate requires all VCPUs to exit before it can be done.
> Hence the async_run_safe_work_on_cpu is introduced to handle this case.
What about the host MMU emulation ? Is that multithreaded ? It has
potential issues when doing things like dirty bit updates into guest
memory, those need to be done atomically. Also TLB invalidations on ARM
and PPC are global, so they will need to invalidate the remote SW TLBs
as well.
Do you have a mechanism to synchronize with another thread ? IE, make it
pop out of TCG if already in and prevent it from getting in ? That way
you can "remotely" invalidate its TLB...
> == Atomic instruction ==
>
> For now only ARM on x64 is supported by using an cmpxchg instruction.
> Specifically the limitation of this approach is that it is harder to support
> 64bit ARM on a host architecture that is multi-core, but only supports 32 bit
> cmpxchg (we believe this could be the case for some PPC cores).
Right, on the other hand 64-bit will do fine. But then x86 has 2-value
atomics nowadays, doesn't it ? And that will be hard to emulate on
anything. You might need to have some kind of global hashed lock list
used by atomics (hash the physical address) as a fallback if you don't
have a 1:1 match between host and guest capabilities.
Cheers,
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-11 6:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-10 15:26 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 00/19] Multithread TCG fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 01/19] cpus: protect queued_work_* with work_mutex fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:59 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 16:04 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-10 16:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 02/19] cpus: add tcg_exec_flag fred.konrad
2015-08-11 10:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-11 11:11 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-11 12:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 03/19] cpus: introduce async_run_safe_work_on_cpu fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 04/19] replace spinlock by QemuMutex fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 05/19] remove unused spinlock fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 06/19] add support for spin lock on POSIX systems exclusively fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 07/19] protect TBContext with tb_lock fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 16:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 18:39 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-11 8:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-11 6:46 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-11 8:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-11 9:21 ` Peter Maydell
2015-08-11 9:59 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-12 17:45 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-12 18:20 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-12 18:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-14 8:38 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-15 0:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 08/19] tcg: remove tcg_halt_cond global variable fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:12 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 09/19] Drop global lock during TCG code execution fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-11 6:55 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-11 20:12 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-11 21:34 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-12 9:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-12 12:32 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 10/19] cpu: remove exit_request global fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 11/19] tcg: switch on multithread fred.konrad
2015-08-13 11:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-13 14:41 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-13 14:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-13 15:18 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 12/19] Use atomic cmpxchg to atomically check the exclusive value in a STREX fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 13/19] add a callback when tb_invalidate is called fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 18:41 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 14/19] cpu: introduce tlb_flush*_all fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 16:00 ` Peter Maydell
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 15/19] arm: use tlb_flush*_all fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 16/19] translate-all: introduces tb_flush_safe fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-12 14:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-12 14:11 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-12 14:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 17/19] translate-all: (wip) use tb_flush_safe when we can't alloc more tb fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 18/19] mttcg: signal the associated cpu anyway fred.konrad
2015-08-10 15:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 15:27 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 19/19] target-arm/psci.c: wake up sleeping CPUs (MTTCG) fred.konrad
2015-08-10 16:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-10 18:38 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-10 18:34 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V7 00/19] Multithread TCG Alex Bennée
2015-08-10 23:02 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-11 6:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2015-08-11 6:27 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-10-07 12:46 ` Claudio Fontana
2015-10-07 14:52 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-10-21 15:09 ` Claudio Fontana
2015-08-11 7:54 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-11 9:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-08-11 9:29 ` Peter Maydell
2015-08-11 10:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2015-08-11 19:22 ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-11 12:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-11 13:59 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-11 14:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-12 15:19 ` Frederic Konrad
2015-08-12 15:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
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