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From: Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com, agraf@suse.de,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/2] ppc/spapr_hcall: Implement H_RANDOM hypercall in QEMU
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:21:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1441243284.7931.1.camel@ellerman.id.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150902074801.GA6537@voom.redhat.com>

On Wed, 2015-09-02 at 17:48 +1000, David Gibson wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 11:04:12AM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> > On (Mon) 31 Aug 2015 [20:46:02], Thomas Huth wrote:
> > > The PAPR interface provides a hypercall to pass high-quality
> > > hardware generated random numbers to guests. So let's provide
> > > this call in QEMU, too, so that guests that do not support
> > > virtio-rnd yet can get good random numbers, too.
> > 
> > virtio-rng, not rnd.
> > 
> > Can you elaborate what you mean by 'guests that do not support
> > virtio-rng yet'?  The Linux kernel has had the virtio-rng driver since
> > 2.6.26, so I'm assuming that's not the thing you're alluding to.
> > 
> > Not saying this hypercall isn't a good idea, just asking why.  I think
> > there's are valid reasons like the driver fails to load, or the driver
> > is compiled out, or simply is loaded too late in the boot cycle.
> 
> Yeah, I think we'd be talking about guests that just don't have it
> configured, although I suppose it's possible someone out there is
> using something earlier than 2.6.26 as well.  Note that H_RANDOM has
> been supported under PowerVM for a long time, and PowerVM doesn't have
> any virtio support.  So it is plausible that there are guests out
> there with with H_RANDOM support but no virtio-rng support, although I
> don't know of any examples specifically.  RHEL6 had virtio support,
> including virtio-rng more or less by accident (since it was only
> supported under PowerVM).  SLES may not have made the same fortunate
> error - I don't have a system handy to check.

There also could be folks who want to run non-Linux operating systems, which
don't have a virtio-rng driver, crazy I know :)

cheers

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-03  1:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-31 18:46 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/2] ppc/spapr_hcall: Implement H_RANDOM hypercall Thomas Huth
2015-08-31 18:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/2] spapr: Add support for hwrng when available Thomas Huth
2015-09-01  0:38   ` David Gibson
2015-09-01 10:53     ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-08  5:03       ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Sam Bobroff
2015-09-08  5:15         ` David Gibson
2015-09-09 21:10           ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-10  7:33             ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-10 10:40               ` David Gibson
2015-09-10 12:03                 ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-10 12:13                   ` Alexander Graf
2015-09-11  0:46                     ` David Gibson
2015-09-11  9:43                       ` Alexander Graf
2015-09-14  2:27                         ` David Gibson
2015-09-14  7:36                           ` Alexander Graf
2015-09-11  0:45                   ` David Gibson
2015-09-11  7:30                     ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-14  2:25                       ` David Gibson
2015-09-08  5:38         ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-09  0:54           ` Sam Bobroff
2015-09-10 12:06             ` Greg Kurz
2015-09-09 14:09   ` [Qemu-devel] " Greg Kurz
2015-08-31 18:46 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 2/2] ppc/spapr_hcall: Implement H_RANDOM hypercall in QEMU Thomas Huth
2015-09-01  0:47   ` David Gibson
2015-09-01 11:03     ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-07 15:05     ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-08  1:14       ` David Gibson
2015-09-02  5:34   ` Amit Shah
2015-09-02  7:48     ` David Gibson
2015-09-02  8:58       ` Thomas Huth
2015-09-02 10:06         ` Amit Shah
2015-09-02 10:02       ` Amit Shah
2015-09-03  1:21       ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2015-09-03  2:17         ` David Gibson

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