From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>
Cc: "Ruan, Shuai" <shuai.ruan@intel.com>,
"Song, Jike" <jike.song@intel.com>, Neo Jia <cjia@nvidia.com>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
"Lv, Zhiyuan" <zhiyuan.lv@intel.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v1 1/1] vGPU core driver : to provide common interface for vGPU.
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 12:32:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1454527963.18969.8.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1454488111.4967.39.camel@redhat.com>
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 09:28 +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Actually I have a long puzzle in this area. Definitely libvirt will use UUID to
> > mark a VM. And obviously UUID is not recorded within KVM. Then how does
> > libvirt talk to KVM based on UUID? It could be a good reference to this design.
>
> libvirt keeps track which qemu instance belongs to which vm.
> qemu also gets started with "-uuid ...", so one can query qemu via
> monitor ("info uuid") to figure what the uuid is. It is also in the
> smbios tables so the guest can see it in the system information table.
>
> The uuid is not visible to the kernel though, the kvm kernel driver
> doesn't know what the uuid is (and neither does vfio). qemu uses file
> handles to talk to both kvm and vfio. qemu notifies both kvm and vfio
> about anything relevant events (guest address space changes etc) and
> connects file descriptors (eventfd -> irqfd).
I think the original link to using a VM UUID for the vGPU comes from
NVIDIA having a userspace component which might get launched from a udev
event as the vGPU is created or the set of vGPUs within that UUID is
started. Using the VM UUID then gives them a way to associate that
userspace process with a VM instance. Maybe it could register with
libvirt for some sort of service provided for the VM, I don't know.
> qemu needs a sysfs node as handle to the vfio device, something
> like /sys/devices/virtual/vgpu/<name>. <name> can be a uuid if you want
> have it that way, but it could be pretty much anything. The sysfs node
> will probably show up as-is in the libvirt xml when assign a vgpu to a
> vm. So the name should be something stable (i.e. when using a uuid as
> name you should better not generate a new one on each boot).
Actually I don't think there's really a persistent naming issue, that's
probably where we diverge from the SR-IOV model. SR-IOV cannot
dynamically add a new VF, it needs to reset the number of VFs to zero,
then re-allocate all of them up to the new desired count. That has some
obvious implications. I think with both vendors here, we can
dynamically allocate new vGPUs, so I would expect that libvirt would
create each vGPU instance as it's needed. None would be created by
default without user interaction.
Personally I think using a UUID makes sense, but it needs to be
userspace policy whether that UUID has any implicit meaning like
matching the VM UUID. Having an index within a UUID bothers me a bit,
but it doesn't seem like too much of a concession to enable the use case
that NVIDIA is trying to achieve. Thanks,
Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-03 19:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2016-02-02 1:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v1 1/1] vGPU core driver : to provide common interface for vGPU Kirti Wankhede
2016-02-02 7:42 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 8:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02 8:13 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-02 8:18 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 8:31 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-02 17:11 ` Alex Williamson
2016-02-03 5:41 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-03 8:28 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-03 19:32 ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2016-02-16 6:49 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-16 7:13 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-16 7:27 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-16 7:36 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-16 7:40 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-16 7:53 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-16 8:10 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-16 8:48 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 3:31 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 4:17 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 5:04 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 5:09 ` Eric Blake
2016-02-17 5:40 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 5:37 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 6:02 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 7:26 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 7:46 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 7:54 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 8:57 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 9:34 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 9:52 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 10:34 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 10:47 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 13:08 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-17 15:36 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 6:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-17 7:32 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 7:51 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-17 8:41 ` Neo Jia
2016-02-17 9:01 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-02 8:29 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-02-02 9:25 ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-02-03 5:56 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-02-03 13:21 ` Kirti Wankhede
2016-02-04 3:08 ` Tian, Kevin
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