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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Manos Pitsidianakis <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Mads Ynddal" <mads@ynddal.dk>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Gustavo Romero" <gustavo.romero@linaro.org>,
	"Pierrick Bouvier" <pierrick.bouvier@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] Implement ARM PL011 in Rust
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 10:11:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <171e17ad-3bb0-4c1d-ab06-9c30fa7c245b@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QU2Y_mNtYQtPbahnvj1eLLTu2Z-f4z-6VZgSSxqgVnPbQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/6/24 21:59, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 14:23, Manos Pitsidianakis
> <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org> wrote:


>> Should QEMU provide wrapping Rust APIs over QEMU internals?
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> [qemuprovidewrappingrustapis] Back to [TOC]
>>
>> My personal opinion is no, with the reasoning being that QEMU internals
>> are not documented or stable. However I do not see why creating stable
>> opt-in interfaces is bad. It just needs someone to volunteer to maintain
>> it and ensure there are no breakages through versions.
> 
> Rust code will need to interface with QEMU's C APIs, so Rust wrappers
> seem unavoidable. Using a protocol like vhost-user might be possible
> in some cases. It separates the two codebases so they can both be
> native and without bindings, but that won't work for all parts of the
> QEMU source tree.
> 
> Stable APIs aren't necessary if most developers in the QEMU community
> are willing to work in both languages. They can adjust both C and Rust
> code when making changes to APIs. I find this preferable to having
> Rust maintainers whose job is to keep wrappers up-to-date. Those Rust
> maintainers would probably burn out. This seems like a question of
> which approach the developer community is comfortable with.

Both APIs must be updated in sync in order to pass CI, so having
the same developer updating both languages seems a requisite.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-11  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-10 18:22 [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] Implement ARM PL011 in Rust Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 18:22 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/6] build-sys: Add rust feature option Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 19:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-06-11 14:19     ` Alex Bennée
2024-06-11 17:53     ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11 18:25       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-06-12  8:04         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-12  8:25           ` Marc-André Lureau
2024-06-10 18:22 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/6] DO NOT MERGE: add rustdoc build for gitlab pages Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 18:22 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/6] DO NOT MERGE: replace TYPE_PL011 with x-pl011-rust in arm virt machine Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 18:22 ` [RFC PATCH v1 6/6] DO NOT MERGE: update rustdoc gitlab pages gen Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 19:37 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] Implement ARM PL011 in Rust Pierrick Bouvier
2024-06-10 20:29   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 21:38     ` Pierrick Bouvier
2024-06-11  5:47       ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11  9:21       ` Alex Bennée
2024-06-11 15:32         ` Pierrick Bouvier
2024-06-11  8:02     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  9:18       ` Alex Bennée
2024-06-11 10:57     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11 10:58       ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11 11:09         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11 11:32           ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11 12:51           ` Alex Bennée
2024-06-11 12:54             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11 12:45         ` Antonio Caggiano
2024-06-11 12:49           ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 19:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-06-10 20:15   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-10 20:47     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-06-11  8:42       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  9:30       ` Alex Bennée
2024-06-11 13:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-06-11  8:11   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2024-06-11  8:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  9:53   ` Zhao Liu
2024-06-11 10:50   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11  8:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  9:45   ` Zhao Liu
2024-06-11 10:41     ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11 14:32       ` Zhao Liu
2024-06-11 10:40   ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11 13:16   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-06-11 14:11     ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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