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From: Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
To: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk,
	berrange@redhat.com, philmd@linaro.org, thuth@redhat.com,
	andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, anthony.perard@vates.tech,
	michal.orzel@amd.com, julien@xen.org, roger.pau@citrix.com,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, bertrand.marquis@arm.com,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:11:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <173d18bf-f68c-4bd5-b822-abb1c1f0c51b@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e7611136-1e90-4f3a-8f37-68244c22c4cc@suse.com>

On 04.02.2025 09:19, Juergen Gross wrote:
> On 03.02.25 23:43, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> +Xen maintainers
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Richard Henderson wrote:
>>> On 2/3/25 04:54, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/25 04:18, Richard Henderson wrote:
>>>>> v1: 20250128004254.33442-1-richard.henderson@linaro.org
>>>>>
>>>>> For v2, immediately disable 64-on-32 TCG.
>>>>>
>>>>> I *suspect* that we should disable 64-on-32 for *all* accelerators.
>>>>> The idea that an i686 binary on an x86_64 host may be used to spawn
>>>>> an x86_64 guest via kvm is silly and a bit more than niche.
>>>>
>>>> At least Xen used to be commonly used with 32-bit dom0, because it saved
>>>> memory and dom0 would map in guest buffers as needed.  I'm not sure how
>>>> common that is these days, perhaps Stefano knows.
>>>
>>> As a data-point, debian does not ship libxen-dev for i686.
>>> We cannot build-test this configuration at all.
>>>
>>> I can build-test Xen for armhf, and I guess it would use i386-softmmu; it's
>>> unclear whether x86_64-softmmu and aarch64-softmmu are relevant or useful for
>>> an armhf host, or as an armhf binary running on an aarch64 host.
>>
>>
>> On the Xen side, there are two different use cases: x86 32-bit and ARM
>> 32-bit.
>>
>> For x86 32-bit, while it was a very important use case in the past, I
>> believe it is far less so now. I will let the x86 maintainers comment on
>> how important it is today.
> 
> As dom0 on x86 is a PV guest per default and Linux doesn't support running as a
> 32-bit PV guest since a few years now, I guess there is no need to support qemu
> as 32-bit on x86 for Xen.

Yet then, just to mention it, you can run a 64-bit PV Dom0 kernel underneath
an otherwise 32-bit distro. I've been doing this successfully for very many
years (with a very small kernel adjustment, just to work around an apparent
shortcoming in system init scripts).

Jan


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-04  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-03  3:18 [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] meson: Drop tcg as a module Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  9:58   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 18:39     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 11:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 18:36   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] tcg: Move stubs in tcg/perf.h to tcg/perf-stubs.c Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:00   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] plugins: Uninline qemu_plugin_add_opts Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:02   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:44   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] meson: Introduce CONFIG_TCG_TARGET Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:08   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 16:38     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-04  6:41       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] tcg: Link only when required in system mode Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:15   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:48   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] plugins: " Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:16   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:49   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] accel/stubs: Expand stubs for TCG Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:22   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 16:43     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 17:38       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 20:00         ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] target/mips: Protect objects with CONFIG_TCG Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:24   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 17:25   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 18:01     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] gitlab: Replace aarch64 with arm in cross-i686-tci build Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:30   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:31   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] configure: Define TARGET_LONG_BITS in configs/targets/*.mak Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:39   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:33     ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 16:49     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 17:39       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 17:48   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 18:30   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 19:19     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] target/*: Remove TARGET_LONG_BITS from cpu-param.h Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:43   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 18:31   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] meson: Disallow 64-bit on 32-bit TCG emulation Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:46   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 13:54   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:47   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 13:56   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] tcg: Remove TCG_OVERSIZED_GUEST Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 13:59   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-04 17:42     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 12:54 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 21:55   ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 22:43     ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-02-04  8:12       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-04  8:19       ` Juergen Gross
2025-02-04  9:11         ` Jan Beulich [this message]
2025-02-04 10:44           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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