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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com>,
	libvirt-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>,
	Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	mik@miknet.net, jjaburek@redhat.com, sgrubb@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] RFC: virtio-rng and /dev/urandom
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 04:31:38 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1808605284.5070717.1460795498043.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <FDF7A12D-B152-4641-B146-4AE83EF094D0@zytor.com>

> Also, I do not believe /dev/urandom is FIPS compliant.  Finally, the refill
> policy is different, so it is not really true the algorithm is the same.
> 
> All in all, other than a seed value it really doesn't make any sense.  Of
> course, none of this matters on newer Intel hardware ;)

Right, but there's always the point about people that use heterogeneous
hosts and cannot pass rdrand/rdseed to the guest.  For these, we should
add a QEMU driver that uses rdrand/rdseed, and thus decouples virtio-rng
from the host /dev/* completely.

>From the libvirt POV there are various possibilities:

- Libvirt can have a libvirt.conf parameter that says "ignore whatever is
specified in the guest XML if rdrand/rdseed is available, and instead use
rdrand/rdseed".

- Libvirt can allow specifying rdrand/rdseed _and_ an additional backend,
like this:

    <backend model="cpu"/>
    <backend model="random">/dev/random</backend>

and fallback to the second if rdrand/rdseed are not available.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-16  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-15 10:41 [Qemu-devel] RFC: virtio-rng and /dev/urandom Cole Robinson
2016-04-15 11:46 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-15 11:54   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-20 22:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Steve Grubb
2016-04-15 15:47 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-15 16:10   ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-16  0:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-16  0:51     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-16  8:31       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2016-04-18  0:20         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18  0:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 11:21           ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18 11:00       ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-19 11:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Yaniv Kaul
2016-04-15 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-15 16:06   ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18  9:28   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-18  9:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 11:07       ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18 11:26         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-18 21:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-20 22:21 ` Cole Robinson

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