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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: "Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy" <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "kwolf@redhat.com" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Denis Lunev <den@virtuozzo.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-block@nongnu.org" <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	"mreitz@redhat.com" <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] nbd-client: enable TCP keepalive
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:12:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19a96fc2-7f12-7b30-edef-b3da66eef759@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e5a35aeb-21a4-449c-f8d5-9d2ac2968fd5@virtuozzo.com>

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On 6/5/19 12:05 PM, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:

>> By enabling TCP keepalives we are explicitly making the connection
>> less reliable by forcing it to be terminated when keepalive
>> threshold triggers, instead of waiting longer for TCP to recover.
>>
>> The rationale s that once a connection has been in a hung state for
>> so long that keepalive triggers, its (hopefully) not useful to the
>> mgmt app to carry on waiting anyway.
>>
>> If the connection is terminated by keepalive & the mgmt app then
>> spawns a new client to carry on with the work, what are the risks
>> involved ? eg Could packets from the stuck, terminated, connection
>> suddenly arrive later and trigger I/O with outdated data payload ?
> 
> Hmm, I believe that tcp guarantees isolation between different connections
> 
>>
>> I guess this is no different a situation from an app explicitly
>> killing the QEMU NBD client process instead & spawning a new one.
>>
>> I'm still feeling a little uneasy about enabling it unconditionally
>> though, since pretty much everything I know which supports keepalives
>> has a way to turn them on/off at least, even if you can't tune the
>> individual timer settings.
> 
> Hm. So, I can add bool keepalive parameter for nbd format with default to true.
> And if needed, it may be later extended to be qapi 'alternate' of bool or struct with
> three numeric parameters, corresponding to TCP_KEEPCNT, TCP_KEEPIDLE and TCP_KEEPINTVL .
> 
> Opinions?

Adding a bool that could later turn into a qapi 'alternate' for
fine-tuning seems reasonable. Defaulting the bool to true is not
backwards-compatible; better would be defaulting it to false and letting
users opt-in; introspection will also work to let you know whether the
feature is present.

-- 
Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.           +1-919-301-3226
Virtualization:  qemu.org | libvirt.org


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-05 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-05 10:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] nbd: enable keepalive Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 10:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] io/channel: add qio_channel_set_keepalive Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 14:38   ` Eric Blake
2019-06-05 16:07     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 16:02   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 16:10     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 10:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] nbd-client: enable TCP keepalive Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 14:39   ` Eric Blake
2019-06-05 14:43     ` Denis V. Lunev
2019-06-05 16:37     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 17:05       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 17:12         ` Eric Blake [this message]
2019-06-05 17:28           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2019-06-05 17:36             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-06-05 19:48               ` Eric Blake
2019-06-05 20:11                 ` [Qemu-devel] nbd-server-add [was: [PATCH 2/2] nbd-client: enable TCP keepalive] Eric Blake

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