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From: Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, dinechin@redhat.com,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/3] module: add Error arguments to module_load_one and module_load_qom_one
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:21:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1a2cdd57-bc66-431f-204b-844c8cf92dfa@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5e6d958d-3b69-1472-b1b8-3a63186f0c5b@suse.de>

On 9/22/22 11:20, Claudio Fontana wrote:
> On 9/22/22 10:28, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 08:07:43AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> Ease of use matters, too.  When sticking to the rule leads to awkward
>>> code, we should stop and think.  Should we deviate from the rule?  Or
>>> can we avoid that by tweaking the interface?
>>>
>>> Philippe's proposed interface sticks to the rule.
>>
>> The cost is that when you see a  function   dosomething(true|false) as
>> a reader you often have no idea what the effect of true vs false is
>> on the behaviour of that function. You resort to looking at the
>> API docs and/or code.  This is where C would really benefit from
>> having named parameters like as  dosomething(ignore_errors=true|false)
>> is totally obvious. Anyway, I digress.
> 
> The confusion here I think stems from the fact that not finding a module is _NORMAL BEHAVIOR_.
> 
> We can configure the qemu package once including configuration for all modules,
> and then have the packager (or user) install the modules needed.
> 
> We should break away from the easy-to-lean-to mindset that
> 
> not finding a module => error path
> 
> Because this is not the case. This is what is being confused in this discussion.
> 
> Distinguishing the normal execution path from the error path (exception, in C++ parlance),
> 
> we are just hindered by the fact that C can only have one return value.
> 
> 
>>
>>> Another interface that does: return -1 for error, 0 for module not found
>>> (no error), and 1 for loaded.
>>
>> IMHO this pattern is generally easier to understand when looking at
>> the callers, as the fatal error scenario is always clear.
>>
>> That said I would suggest neither approach as the public facing
>> API. Rather stop trying to overload 3 states onto an error reporting
>> pattern that inherantly wants to be 2 states. Instead just have
>> distinct methods
>>
>>   bool module_load_one(const char *prefix, const char *name, Error *errp)
>>   bool module_try_load_one(const char *prefix, const char *name, Error *errp)
> 
> 
> Here we are murking again the normal behavior and the error path.
> 
> What is the meaning of try? It's not as though we would error out inside the function module_load_one,
> it's the _caller_ that needs to decide how to treat a return value of found/not found, and the exception (Error).
> 
> If this makes it clearer, lets keep the existing Error API pattern of using both the return value and the Error parameter for the error (exception),
> and put the NORMAL BEHAVIOR error value in an argument using a pointer.
> 
> We do not pass a "bool ignore_errors" , because that is again confusing the fact that it is not module_load_one that handles the errors,
> module_load_one should neither handle nor ignore the errors,
> it should generate an error in the error case, and a return value in the normal case.
> 
> What about:
> 
> /*                                                                                                                                          
>  * module_load_one: attempt to load a module from a set of directories                                                                      
>  *                                                                                                                                          
>  * directories searched are:                                                                                                                
>  * - getenv("QEMU_MODULE_DIR")                                                                                                              
>  * - get_relocated_path(CONFIG_QEMU_MODDIR);                                                                                                
>  * - /var/run/qemu/${version_dir}                                                                                                           
>  *                                                                                                                                          
>  * prefix:         a subsystem prefix, or the empty string ("audio-", ..., "")                                                              
>  * name:           name of the module                                                                                                       
>  * errp:           (ERROR CONDITION): errp will be set on module load error.
>  * found:          (output): set to true if a module with this name has been found, false if no such module is present.
>  *                                                                                                                                          
>  * Return value:   true if no error encountered (module loaded or not present).
>  *                 false if an error has been generated, and errp will be set with the Error.
>  */
> 

Now with the missing prototype:

bool module_load_one(const char *prefix, const char *name, Error *errp, bool *found);

> Thanks,
> 
> C
> 
> 
>>
>> other names are available for the second, eg module_load_one_optional()
>>
>> Internally, both would call into a common helper following either
>> Philippe's idea, or the -1/0/1 int return value. Either is fine,
>> as they won't be exposed to any caller.
>>
>> With regards,
>> Daniel
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-22 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-08 18:30 [PATCH v4 0/3] improve error handling for module load Claudio Fontana
2022-09-08 18:30 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] module: removed unused function argument "mayfail" Claudio Fontana
2022-09-08 18:30 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] module: add Error arguments to module_load_one and module_load_qom_one Claudio Fontana
2022-09-15  8:43   ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-16  8:13   ` Richard Henderson
2022-09-16  8:16     ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-16  9:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-16 10:48     ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-16 14:26       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-16 15:06         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-19  8:17           ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-19  8:45             ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-21 12:47               ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-19 10:18     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé via
2022-09-21 12:16       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-21 16:03         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22  6:07           ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22  8:28             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-22  9:20               ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22  9:21                 ` Claudio Fontana [this message]
2022-09-22  9:27                   ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22  9:31                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-22  9:34                   ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 10:37                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-22 12:30                       ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 12:33                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-22 12:35                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22  9:38               ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22  9:43                 ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 12:42                   ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22 12:45                     ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 13:20                       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22 13:33                         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 14:36                           ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22 15:22                             ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-23  5:31                               ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-23  9:40                                 ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 13:34                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé via
2022-09-22 13:42                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 13:44                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-09-22 14:01                             ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 14:54                     ` Kevin Wolf
2022-09-22 15:08                       ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 15:27                       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-09-22 15:51                         ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-22 17:05                         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-09-23  9:42                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-23  9:44                           ` Claudio Fontana
2022-09-25 10:35           ` Richard Henderson
2022-09-08 18:30 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] accel: abort if we fail to load the accelerator plugin Claudio Fontana

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