From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9226C10F1D for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 14:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p55xw-0002nd-Fw; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:09:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p55xu-0002mm-D6 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:09:02 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p55xs-0006p9-I2 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:09:02 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id f18so15732278wrj.5 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:09:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linaro.org; s=google; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:cc:to:from :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iHMPKovLcu4ZLdyQ8ABt36+jZFUM5BiKvPj3kOi4Zko=; b=MbkWfW4WKpUSDH+8QqKQdtpFEwdu+Ot+5jWV7s1EHEBGGkOyoEUk1tkQUCCDhZMPQx rKZMqUC3IgEfHkY0ackQHZ9Iq971EwnwfhRWL8qQPOhVxFuobGS4Ca1pW3u1gGLYFjGo 5RVjhLHFHaKpyoPL8PVvbC6jpmBYGAw4qvcMAUOr0Ekl7NQtosagew0TXw7PO01YDb9I q6/E5TOa4eMuM58karp4U51rHPI4co1zI78fZ19MRgynReEuBFu2KFQegk1zBK7yOtyx Vcikxkr5jSohqEIaFg8eG1xCvus702g7ymt1uFIpacf3d3dmQzFWg989rpFAfkqBPLYg OQPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:cc:to:from :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iHMPKovLcu4ZLdyQ8ABt36+jZFUM5BiKvPj3kOi4Zko=; b=lkAj9R5okFT3ZviGYipjKmHqeLzMn7WH5D5wLpfUQthfbl3S7OAgKer+VpTgUkYG5o DRuGWmAmUsV5EKuWPsYzMkM4DYhC+iP6hq+bZnWlie6S/ySN9RwwDnauh+rWGomFuLno oBgmPOHTA28EHn++Nb/39fm0Lk0FviVOxDlpDiZNuhM8gOj5GKkXWklsPuRUexAdGK2R GT66GaKEDzXN6eSudQkAADsN3oKVhkGNBw1teMEyvtfaG4Qx/rtrzwqFlFaYdaRN+O6s WB3nTbfDvWCZlypPeKLPJqLS7IlfyHwbP+IcbdafRNVbdfSzZY2xasjGHt3H3ce+f6Ki N0Rw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pkHCDtLdmlDV3r7x/VzlcdqwTmB5UkTRrhtrPhpRn6uDH2pzZMS Hy6WLvLHZ0aMkwD+LK4jCOmJxQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6I6iiyzUfhRUEMNVnmeKo0AUANmdBS/U95ANhcEXU4X9+4KENnknJzc8mr5ksy2sTnmPHfCA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:cc87:0:b0:242:88af:d88b with SMTP id p7-20020adfcc87000000b0024288afd88bmr13922580wrj.43.1670940538215; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.30.216] ([81.0.6.76]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z5-20020adff1c5000000b002258235bda3sm11771217wro.61.2022.12.13.06.08.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:08:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1ac96aab-c5c4-b539-956c-d2923e6d8602@linaro.org> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 15:08:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.5.1 Subject: Re: Single system binary & Dynamic machine model (KVM developers conference call 2022-12-13) Content-Language: en-US From: =?UTF-8?Q?Philippe_Mathieu-Daud=c3=a9?= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_P=2e_Berrang=c3=a9?= , John Snow , Mark Burton , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" , Paolo Bonzini , Markus Armbruster , Eduardo Habkost , "Edgar E. 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Lunev" , Cleber Rosa , Stefan Hajnoczi , Eduardo Habkost , qemu-devel , =?UTF-8?Q?Marc-Andr=c3=a9_Lureau?= , Dominik Csapak , Christophe de Dinechin , Gerd Hoffmann , Kashyap Chamarthy , Mark Cave-Ayland , Jagannathan Raman , Elena Ufimtseva , John G Johnson , Dongli Zhang , afaerber@suse.de, andrea.arcangeli@redhat.com, bazulay@redhat.com, bbauman@redhat.com, cjia@nvidia.com, cw@f00f.org, digitaleric@google.com, dustin.kirkland@canonical.com, Eric Blake , Eric Auger , felipe@nutanix.com, iggy@theiggy.com, Jan Kiszka , Jason Gunthorpe , jidong.xiao@gmail.com, jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Joao Martins , mburton@qti.qualcom.com, mdean@redhat.com, mimu@linux.vnet.ibm.com, z.huo@139.com, zwu.kernel@gmail.com, Laurent Vivier References: <936e1ac4-cef8-08b4-c688-e5b1e057208b@linaro.org> In-Reply-To: <936e1ac4-cef8-08b4-c688-e5b1e057208b@linaro.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::433; envelope-from=philmd@linaro.org; helo=mail-wr1-x433.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On 12/12/22 00:41, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > Hi, > > In the last years we had few discussions on "simplifying" QEMU (system > emulation / virtualization), in particular for the "management layer". > > Some of us are interested in having QEMU able to dynamically create > machine models. Mark Burton's current approach is via a Python script > which generates QMP commands. This is just another case of "management > layer". > > Various problems have been raised regarding the current limitations of > QEMU's APIs. We'd like to remember / get a broader idea on these limits > and look at some ideas / proposals which have been discussed / posted > on this list. > > Feel free to complete your thoughts on this public etherpad: > https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/qemu-emulation-bof%402022-12-13 > > Topic I remember which can be good starters: > > - Current limitations of QAPI (& QMP) model (Markus Armbruster) > > - Adding a new qemu-runtime-$TARGET / QMP-only binary without today's >   limitations (Daniel P. Berrangé & Paolo Bonzini) > > - Problem with x-exit-preconfig, reworking MachinePhaseInit state >   machine (Paolo Bonzini) > > Markus / Daniel / Paolo expressed their ideas on the list (the > historical threads are referenced in the etherpad) so reading the > relevant threads before the call will help to get in the topic. > These people don't have to be in the call, but if they can attend > that would be very nice :) > > The call will be Tuesday, December 13 at 3pm CET on this Bluejeans link: > http://bluejeans.com/quintela We moved the call here: https://teams.microsoft.com/_#/pre-join-calling/19:meeting_MjU2NDhkOGYtOGY5ZC00MzRjLWJjNjgtYWI2ODQxZGExMWNj@thread.v2