From: Pierrick Bouvier <pierrick.bouvier@linaro.org>
To: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] gdbstub: conversion to runtime endianess helpers
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2025 10:27:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1b4ab8fa-c106-4161-ab25-39589a495564@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fd9ecec4-cfa9-4605-aa14-264284f6afb6@linaro.org>
On 3/21/25 06:02, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> On 20/3/25 21:16, Pierrick Bouvier wrote:
>> On 3/20/25 12:52, Pierrick Bouvier wrote:
>>> On 3/19/25 11:22, Alex Bennée wrote:
>>>> The aim of this work is to get rid of the endian aware helpers in
>>>> gdbstub/helpers.h which due to their use of tswap() mean target
>>>> gdbstubs need to be built multiple times. While this series doesn't
>>>> actually build each stub once it introduces a new helper -
>>>> gdb_get_register_value() which takes a MemOp which can describe the
>>>> current endian state of the system. This will be a lot easier to
>>>> dynamically feed from a helper function.
>>>>
>>>> The most complex example is PPC which has a helper called
>>>> ppc_maybe_bswap_register() which was doing this.
>>>>
>>>> This is still an RFC so I'm interested in feedback:
>>>>
>>>> - is the API sane
>>>> - can we avoid lots of (uint8_t *) casting?
>>>
>>> Even though the series has a good intent, the fact we make everything
>>> "generic" makes that we lose all guarantees we could get by relying on
>>> static typing, and that we had possibility of mistakes when passing size
>>> (which happened in patch 4 if I'm correct). And explicit casting comes
>>> as a *strong* warning about that.
>>>
>>> By patch 7, I was really feeling it's not a win vs explicit functions
>>> per size.
>>>
>>> If the goal of the series is to get rid of endian aware helpers, well,
>>> this can be fixed in the helpers themselves, without needing to
>>> introduce a "generic" size helper. Maybe we are trying to solve two
>>> different problems here?
>>>
>>>> - should we have a reverse helper for setting registers
>>>>
>>>> If this seems like the right approach I can have a go at more of the
>>>> frontends later.
>>>>
>>
>> Looking at include/gdbstub/helpers.h, gdb_get_reg128 can be solved by
>> using target_words_bigendian() instead of TARGET_BIG_ENDIAN, which is
>> already what tswap primitives are doing.
>
> We'll need to eventually remove target_words_bigendian(), so that'd just
> be postponing that.
>
It seemed to me that one of the goal of current shared work on single
binary is to be able to check those kind of things at runtime. So I
don't see how we can plan to remove target_words_bigendian(), or an
equivalent.
If you mean we'll replace this call with another name/api, I don't see
it as a problem to use it for now. It's upstream and works.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-21 17:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-19 18:22 [PATCH 00/10] gdbstub: conversion to runtime endianess helpers Alex Bennée
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 01/10] include/gdbstub: fix include guard in commands.h Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 7:09 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 19:37 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 02/10] gdbstub: introduce target independent gdb register helper Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 6:19 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-20 7:24 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 7:16 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 19:30 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-20 19:36 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-21 11:36 ` Alex Bennée
2025-03-21 17:24 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-20 19:37 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 03/10] target/arm: convert 32 bit gdbstub to new helper Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 6:21 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-20 19:38 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 04/10] target/arm: convert 64 " Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 7:39 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 19:42 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-21 11:38 ` Alex Bennée
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 05/10] target/ppc: expand comment on FP/VMX/VSX access functions Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 19:42 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 06/10] target/ppc: make ppc_maybe_bswap_register static Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 6:55 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 19:42 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 07/10] target/ppc: convert gdbstub to new helper (!hacky) Alex Bennée
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 08/10] gdbstub: assert earlier in handle_read_all_regs Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 6:57 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 09/10] include/exec: fix assert in size_memop Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 6:29 ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-03-20 7:30 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 18:22 ` [PATCH 10/10] target/microblaze: convert gdbstub to new helper Alex Bennée
2025-03-20 7:09 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-20 19:52 ` [PATCH 00/10] gdbstub: conversion to runtime endianess helpers Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-20 20:16 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-21 13:02 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-21 17:27 ` Pierrick Bouvier [this message]
2025-03-21 11:46 ` Alex Bennée
2025-03-21 17:31 ` Pierrick Bouvier
2025-03-23 15:41 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-23 17:32 ` Pierrick Bouvier
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